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What's the difference between a bullpup rifle, carbine and an assault rifle?

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pantstofry

bullpup is where the magazine is behind the trigger... don't really know what a carbine is, always thought it was like a single fire, and assault rifle i'd assume is just like regular, with mag in front... are you testing me or are you not sure?

HBK

First, Bullpups and Carbines are Assault Rifles.

Bullpups are firearm configurations in which both the action and magazine are located behind the trigger and alongside the shooter's face, so there is no wasted space for the buttstock as in conventional designs. This permits a shorter firearm length for the same barrel length, saving weight and increasing maneuverability in confined spaces.

Pack the same punch as conventional rifles but are shorter and easier to handle.

A Carbine is just a Conventional Assault Rifle with a shorter barrel, sacrificing some range for manoeuvrability, which is better for close range combat in Urban scenarios such as tight corners, inside buildings etc.......

The M4 is the Carbine version of the M16, but basically they're the same weapon.
The AKS-74U is the Carbine version of the AK-47.
The PARA-FAL is the Carbine of the FAL.

And so on.

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pantstofry

^ <3 wikipedia

I figured they were all AR's, but since my knowledge of guns extends only a little past MW2 and into airsoft or war movies, I figured I'd answer what I thought. HBK either know much more about guns or is less lazy to go look on wikipedia. I looked up bullpup on wikipedia and got what HBK posted... lolz

HBK

I do know quite a lot about guns actually(including bullpups etc....), but I don't explain it quite as well as Wikipedia does ^_^


I even wrote some Wikipedia info in the past about the M16, FAL, and .338 Lapua Magnum

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pantstofry

Well then i will humbly step aside and let you give the information in this thread. Honestly, you could show me a gun taken apart and I could find the trigger and barrel probably.

abc

This is why teachers hate it when students use wikipedia. Obviously being over 20 they fail to realise that not everyone spends every second of their life ruining wiki articles and that standards are moderated...

I won't repeat what they are, but can add the "whys"


Assault rifles came from desiring accurate and moderately powerful medium range automatic infantry weaponary.

Carbines came about from needing assault rifles with more manouverability and/or adaptability tailored towards the CQC end of the spectrum.

Bullpup is just a clever design innovation in order to gain a certain accuracy with more managable weight.

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OzballO

Bullpups are much cooler looking than their counterparts.

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pantstofry

meh. Tar-21 looks okay. IMO all the bullpups look weird: the Tar is kinda bulky-funny, the F2K is like massive, the FAMAS has that weird handle at the top, and the AUG looks like an LMG on a diet... but I still think the look decent, just off the charts

Pyro

Whenever a teacher tells me I can't use Wikipedia, I just go to Wikipedia and check all their sources. Then I proceed to cite the same sources Wikipedia did.

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GhostHands

^^^LOL you win^^^

I don't even think Wiki was around when I was in high school, plus we weren't allowed to use internet sources then, just books.

/off topic crap

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pantstofry

LOL GH,

FAIL. you didn't have wikipedia in high school, that sucks. You shoulda tried to get born later

GhostHands

Funniest thing I've read all day. Thank you for the laugh. And still I have nothing of use to contribute to this thread, except I love 9mm, which has nothing to do with this topic. I'll go now.

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beasTer

Something interesting I read recently is the US military's problems with the 5.56mm NATO round in Afganistan. In Iraq, most encounters were urban meaning any combat was fairly close range, which heavily favored the standard infantry issue M4A1. However, only parts of Afganistan are immersed in urban combat. Apparently most of the soldiers wind up being 2000-2500 meters away from each other as they shoot back and forth.


The problem with this is that the Afgans are using higher caliber rounds that carry their momentum better over such long distances. By the time the 5.56mm round from an M4A1 or M16-A4 reach that distance, the round is largely non-lethal. Yes, it might put a person on the ground and hurt them... but it does not have the chance to reverse blood flow causing a heart attack. So basically, you have to hope you hit a VERY vital area and get lucky.

They are already issuing a different sniper rifle and are assigning more to each squad to try to help combat this. I wouldn't be too surprised if this was the breaking point that moved the SCAR-H into the common soldier's hands to replace the M4A1, at least as a stop-gap until something else can be created.



Here, read it for yourselves I was trying to cite it from memory but I'm sure I missed key details:


M4 not suited to warfare in Afghan hills - MarineCorpsTimes.com



I think the funny part is how one guy is defending the 5.56mm round by saying the problem is simply the length of the M4's barrel. Sure, it does negatively impact the velocity of the round... however that is kind of the point of a Carbine. Perhaps it is time for the US military to start looking more into Bullpup designs so that bullet velocity no longer is sacrificed for the sake of urban combat. Lets face it, no one is going to force a soldier to carry both an M16 and an MP5 around with him to account for two widely different styles of combat that can change literally day to day.

HBK

Now that I have nothing more to contribute to this thread, I once got to hold a real life FN(Imbel) FAL, but they didn't let me shoot it.

Just you being here is enough contribution.

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