Lamberticus

About a week ago I was sick to the death of being raped by this fucking gun.
So I thought, bollocks if you cant beat 'em, join em. I am now killing people with a quick bursts of fire easily. Seriously this gun is EASILY the most powerful gun in the game like the UMP was in MW2 and should be nerfed.

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I wish I had a penny for every time I heard someone complain about... Given the typo, AK47 or AK74u?

Lamberticus

this one

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/facedesk

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Naga

So, uh. What's so bad about it again?

It's easy to control, sure, but the TTK really isn't much higher than the other SMGs, and it kinda sucks at anything past 10 metres or so...

Honestly, it isn't so much "overpowered", as the rest of the SMGs are just crap.

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oneinchwunda

The problem stems from the fact that the MP5k, the next most powerful SMG, has too much recoil. Therefore people don't like using it because it's impossible to hit shit at anything past 30m. I believe the AK has less recoil, but also a higher centrespeed?

MP5k needs a recoil reduction, or some other SMGs need a boost, by the sounds of it.

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dhoop17

I totally agree that the gun itself isn't overpowered, but the rest suck. However, when using Warlord and using RF and a Grip together, this gun is VERY hard to beat with any other gun in the game at close to med. range. If they got rid of the grip (or gave the MP5K one), it would go a long way in making the smg guns more balanced.

Also, give some of the other guns more attatchments. The only two smgs you can have dual mags on are the 74u and the MPL. Thats just stupid if you ask me. I like the Mac-11, but your class is dictated by its weakness. You have to use scavenger and ext. mags to be succesfull with that gun. Idk why in the hell they gave the 74u so many options. Shit, lets give it a flamethrower too why we are at it.

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lower without Grip, higher with it.

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Naga

SMGs, the AK74u being the exception, in general need a pretty big buff to be useful.

I agree that the MP5k has a bit too much recoil to be useful, and that it needs less (maybe not a huge drop). I also think it should have a rate of fire boost to go with it. Between the MP5k and 74u, the 74u would be more versatile and easier to control, whereas the MP5k would have huge firepower in close quarters.

As for the others.. I'm not so sure. Spectre is alright, since it gives you a decent long range firepower while being good up close.

That's... about it.

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Imunality

The clip size is what bothers me with the other SMG's, 20 bullets doesn't cut it. The recoil could be slightly reduced on all SMG's except for the Ak74u. In orded to attain variety, there has to be balance within the different classes, and by classes I evidently mean smg's, assault's etc.

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Olaf Vikingsson

74u and MP5 should be 35-25 damage weapons on opposite ends of the recoil/fire rate spectrum. Also, Stopping Power. That would give them a niche in which to be useful (non-SP classes) while leaving the other SMGs to take over the role of powerhouse weapons using SP. This will also reduce their lethality, obviously. This will require a SINGLE 40-20 SMG with truly ridiculous recoil that renders it inept at doing anything past ten metres, leaving every weapon with some kind of a niche.

I like mentally planning balance overhauls for shittily-designed FPS games, I think.

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Mr.moo cow

like everyone else has said its not that its overpowered the rest just suck is all.

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Shankapotamus

More overused than overpowered. All the other guns just suck in comparison.

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Kienns

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BigWings

If everything else 'just sucks in comparison' then it IS overpowered. The problem is the 74u, NOT the other guns.
You guys defending it like to point out the faults with other guns, rather than pointing out the fact that its EASILY the best gun (yes completely overused).

Imunality

No, we compare it to the other guns and can quite easily conclude that it's not overpowered with TTK etc in mind. We compare it with the Assault rifles and such and there it doesn't stand out as much as compared to the other SMG's. The rest of the SMG's vs Assault rifles are pretty much shit. The problem is that the only SMG that really can compete with the other genres of guns is the 74u. If you would boost the stats of the other SMG's there wouldn't be a problem with variety within the smg class.

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Shankapotamus

That doesn't mean it's overpowered. It just means it's the best gun in its class.

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Keegs

If I had a dollar for every time I saw someone using this gun, i'd be a fucking billionaire. No exaggeration. This is the most overused gun in ever. I don't even like it that much, anyway. MP5K for life

Platy

I see the Famas more than the AK74u.

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Naga

It just beats the other SMGs. Compared to say, the assault rifles, it's pretty tame, fitting nicely into the niche of a close range gun. The FAMAS/AUG outdo it in firepower, the Galil/AK47/Commando beat it in range while having the same close up firepower, FAL/M14/G11/M16 eat it alive at medium-long range.

The AK74u does what an SMG is, going by their roles in previous CoD games, supposed to do: sacrifice range for mobility and close range firepower. It does this nicely; it matches the slower firing automatic ARs in firepower (exceeding them if you take rapid fire as an attachment), while removing the movement penalty when aiming down the sight, along with reducing the hipfire spread. Taking into account all other guns, the 74u is fine. The lower damage it has sucks, and it can't out-shoot assault rifles easily, but it can outmaneuver them very easily.

Unfortunately, when compared to the rest of the guns in its class, it shines. MP5k has the same damage, rate of fire, and mag size, while it's slower to switch to/from, has a slower reload, and has more recoil, along with fewer attachments.

The Skorpion has extremely high TTK up close, but outside of a few meters it's nearly worthless, as it has extreme damage drop (from 50 to 20 in about 10 meters or so, ouch.) Has hardly any recoil though.

The other SMGs just have slightly less recoil (excepting the Uzi), but have slightly larger TTKs. That's bad. A bigger problem is that they absolutely eat through ammo, due to their large rates of fire. This can negate the recoil advantage, and cause them to need a reload more often.

If the MP5k had an increased rate of fire it would remain competitive with the 74u; harder to control, sure, but having a good payoff up close.

Skorpion could stay as it is. Extremely close powerhouse, extremely low recoil.

Spectre should be given a larger mag by default. Make it something of a P90 analogue. Easier to control, more consistent damage over various ranges.

And Uzi should be there for the lulz.

SMGs, except for the AK74u, suck. It's the go to SMG. It does its job well. The others do not. It is not overpowered. The others, I say again, just plain suck.

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Voodoo

It's the auto aim on console. I played 5 games on my brothers xbox with the 74u and got >3.5 each time. Max was 8.0 kdr.

The autoaim is OP. Honest to god worse than I ever remember it being.

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This.

In contrast to the UMP45 which beat the other SMGs and several Assault Rifles as well.

It'd be wrong to do a most-of-MW2-and-BO and have several weapons in each catagory that were virtually identical. Some have to be "better" than others. What should be the case however is that each weapon excels at different attributes rather than one weapon (AK74u in this case) excelling at all attributes.


All this makes you realise that weapon balance in COD2 & COD4 was actually quite good...

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This is getting repetitive.

HBK

The 74u outclasses every other SMG, but it doesn't outclass weapons in other classes. It's just a good great weapon, the UMP in MW2 had the advantages of SMGs AND ARs put together, the 74u is similar to what the TAR was, a legend, but NOT OP.

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pantstofry

I think the maps contribute to this as well. People are more inclined to use an SMG in most situations, especially the one that has pretty decent range, since most maps have many CQB areas (although there are some long sightlines)

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Lamberticus

As said above, with Grip and RF it rapes. Nuff said.

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