chaR

Like always, denkirson has it again. Unlike with MW2: "Data is 100% accurate based on data taken openly from the game's files."


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No DPS spreadsheet, since the weapons are so similar in DPS values it isnt even funny.

Ranking the best weapons of each category:

SMG

The Skorpion has the highest DPS among all SMG's, though he only has a 20 bullet mag. After that the AK-74u & the MP5 beat any other weapon in DPS. When comparing those two (who both have a 30bullet mag), the AK-74u is superior in almost every single way, except raise/drop times. Since the second most important thing is recoil, the AK-74u is superior to the MP5. On top of that, the Skorpion decays alot faster than the AK-74u, which means you'll barely ever notice the superior high end dps of the Skorpion, which easily makes the AK-74u the best SMG.


AR

Note: I did not include the burst fire & semi automatic rifles in this comparison, since their DPS statistics are kinda irrelevant.

All full auto ARs have really similar gunstatistics in this game.
The AUG & FAMAS beat every other AR DPS wise. On a second place comes the trio of Commando/AK-47/Galil.
Taking all other stats into account we can conclude that, without a doubt:
Commando > AK-47 > Galil > AUG > Famas
The AUG/Famas might have higher overal DPS, but the AK/Commando/Galil is a 2shot kill to the head, which makes them superior.


Sniper

The only sniper you ever need to buy is the L96. The rest is wortless compared to this big boy.


LMG

The Stoner is by far the best LMG & at the same time the strongest full automatic weapon in the game.

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Dante

Not in any mood to read charts atm. Anyone wanna tell me what the best gun in each class is?

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Voodoo

Well, looking through now things that stand out.

Skorpian is 50 dmg at about <7m and tapers down to 20 after that.

The M60 is different to the rest of the LMGs in that it is 50 damage <30~ meters and then goes to 40 at >30~meters like the rest of the LMGs

The MP5K and the AK74U look identical from what I can see. The AK74u has more attachment options but the MP5K draws and drops faster.

cbf looking that much more into it.

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Platy

Snipers are no longer 100% movement speed, down to 95% which is the same as the AR's. LMG's are 87.5%, is this the same as MW2?

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OzballO

ooo L96 has 1.5 damage multiplier to the arms/shoulders.

pantstofry

M60 must have high recoil... it has the largest mag, as well as a higher damage at close range. Otherwise it's gotta be pretty OP. I was looking forward to the RPK. Meh, so much "i was looking forward to..."

im just gonna get the damn game already.

Vomitcretin

Well, in their little video with gamespot, Treyarch did mention that the goal is for the guns to be different from each other, but not better than each other. It will be interesting to see what ends up being overpowered or horrible ala UMP and F2000.

Olaf Vikingsson

Wow. The weapon balance in this game is terrible. No surprises there.

Also, what the fuck? There are so many unique stats that only make a difference when SP is in play. I see a 1.1 mod for the PSG and loads of 35 and 25 damage weapons.

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Lamberticus

Duly noted. Also as for the PSG-1 the recoil is only up and right. (Aim left?)

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Savageide

So, after a quick look, it seems like AUG and ak74u are best in class.

I don't really understand where they were going with their weapon balance. As mentioned, some of these numbers seem particularly out of place, especially that 1.1 multiplier.

Clock

The Enfield's outdone completely by the FAMAS it seems.

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Vomitcretin

Wrong!! the FAMAS reload speed is a full 0.1 second longer!

Seriously though, if you're looking strictly at damage, ignoring recoil and fire rate, what is the point of using a 40 dmg AR over a 35 dmg AR? both are three shots to kill, I guess the 40 would give you a two headshot kill and the 35 wouldn't. Am I missing something here?

After factoring recoil and fire rate in, the AUG and the FAMAS should outclass everything in the AR group.

chaR

No clue what they thought when leaving out SP really. How on earth can they not realize that when they take out the SP perk, they should obviously integrate it in the goddamn weapons.

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pantstofry

Possible in a patch? Behhh

Definitely should integrate it, I was trying to figure out which weapon i want to start with and was like WTF i should just do all of them

dhoop17

Fucking exactly! You get so many damn hit markers, it makes me feel like i'm playing Halo and my opponent has shields or whatever they have in that stupid game. I was in a firefight with a guy yesterday. He would poke his head out through a window: I'd get 3 hitmarkers and he would duck. Rinse and repeat 3 more fucking times for a grand total of 12 hitmarkers and no kill.

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Freespace535

Lol that guy must have been retarded. If he kept getting shot why didn't he move?

pantstofry

He did. He ducked behind the wall when he got shot. Instead of giving up on a fight he was probably gonna lose he tried to keep popping out and kill hoop

darthpetale

The famas is shit too much recoil , so far the Galil is the best AR , and the ak74 is the best smg, lmg's seem redundant ...

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oneinchwunda

Firstly, your wrong. The Galil and Famas have the SAME recoil, damage, range. The Famas has a higher ROF and a quicker reload time. The only advantage that the Galil has is a 0.1 seconds faster drop time, which is made redundant when using a pistol anyway.

Secondly, you imply that the position of best AR will change?

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Vomitcretin

The Galil has more damage and 5 more rounds in the clip.

The 5 extra damage seems to be completely irrelevant, however.

mattv2099

If you can handle the Famas' F2000 like recoil. I use the enfield a lot. Love it because it feels like there is almost no recoil compared to any other gun I've used.

mpk vs ak74? I've used both a lot in FFA. When I use the ak74 I tend to lose a lot of my gunfights against the mpk. I can't hit with it. I've been host and dumped full clips into guys and they turn around and kill me! WTF!!!! I miss all my shots. The recoil is weird. Definitely liking the mpk better. Recoil is nicer.

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oneinchwunda

For God's sake, this is getting embarrassing.

Okay, I can't read graphs apparently. Actually no, the extra damage is not completely irrelevant, but it comes very close. Probably irrevelant enough for it to be a lack of a relevant counter to the Famas's higher ROF, however.

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Vomitcretin

When does the extra damage help? I'm trying to figure this out as it seems odd to even have a gun with 40 and a gun with 35 dmg. Both are three hit kills unless you hit the head with the first two shots, in which case the Galil will win out.

Am I missing something? It just seems so stupid to have a gun with higher damage (I would assume to help balance the lower ROF)for no apparent reason.

Serval

A higher damage (as well as what you mentioned with headshots) means that once the guns damage starts to drop at range it takes a bit more distance before it drops from a 3-hit-kill to a 4-hit-kill.

However I prefer the faster firing ARs (and the famas specifically but there isn't a tremendous diff. between them).

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Dante

Except the Enfield is British and the FAMAS is French which is a good enough reason to justify using the former for all of P1. Also the Enfield looks pimp and the FAMAS looks like ass.

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