chaR

Wrong & wrong

Also, like I said, this is pointless for this game. From what I tested (& so has Voodoo), recoil is randomly determined in some way, thus make patern analysis pointless.



You can clearly see the pattern here.



No pattern at all. 1 & 2 might resemble a bit, yet when shot they followed completely different lines. 3 isn't even close to resembling anything.

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Clock

Do you know what an opinion is?

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chaR

This thread doesn't seem very opinionlike.

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pantstofry

Hmm, this helped a bit on deciding between Galil & Stoner. I think unless silence tactics (silencer, ghost, ninja) work well in BO, I'm gonna go with the Stoner. But I have to see, it seem that appearing on radar when you shoot causes the 4 enemies who spawned together all to beeline toward you.

And since it's an LMG, you can't exactly get too far away from where you last fired very quickly.

And i'm sorry clock, i don't see how recoil is an opinion either...

also, even though the recoil is random, this does give you a little view of how the recoil is. Ofc it's not gonna show a pattern, but it shows you how tight it is.

oneinchwunda

Recoil is random.

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doppelganger

I am not wrong, I was just stating my opinion, that is why I said In My Opinion.

And I am not saying that the tests I did will show exactly how every gun will fire, I am just trying to show what the groupings are that I got. To me it seems easier to actually see how guns group compared to seeing a 6/10 on a graph.

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MW2 guides AR ADS, SMG ADS, LMG ADS, Secondary ADS and Primary & Secondary Burst Fire Comparison.

chaR

Why are you stating your flawed opinion in a thread that you started, which is all about facts.

The tests will pretty much show nothing as I pointed out. If you don't get that after I said it 3 times & posted pictures to compare, you're simply ignorant.

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pantstofry

I think this thread is still quite useful, I too don't like looking at a number on a chart to get the idea of recoil. I understand that the recoil pattern is random, but you can still notice quite a difference between a G11 and an M60, for instance. Although it does make it difficult to discern any difference in recoil for a lot of the guns.

Hmm... the fact that recoil is random makes me not want to use the Stoner anymore. I was thinking, bleh it's not very accurate, but i can just burst at long range... but that sideways recoil sort of sucks.

I'll try stealth setup, see how it goes.

chaR

Well obviously there still is a difference in between the spread of certain guns, though you are comparing complete opposites. A Burst fire weapon will always be accurate compared to something else due to the 0.2 seconds in between 2 bursts.
Things like these only become useful when comparing weapons in similar category's, for which this is completely useless in Black Ops (since it's to random to compare similar weapons, you could just aswell paste the AUG's recoil on the FAMAS,etc... & nobody would notice).

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pantstofry

Yeah, that was a pretty stupid comparison by me.

Point taken. Although it was still sorta interesting to see the recoil difference on the guns, like the Skorpion.

doppelganger

My opinion I am talking about is the G11, not my comparisons. Again, this is just to give a visual depiction of the accuracy for each gun. People seemed to like the ones I did for MW2, so I figured I would try it for BO's.

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Clock

see you in the "out of context" thread

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chaR

There is nothing to opinionize about the "best AR in the game". The best AR in the game is determined by the game data.

And again, like I pointed out multiple times now, allong with screenshots:
From what is currently know, recoil seems to be random (with giving more weight to certain directions depending on the gun obviously), thus making recoil patterns useless.
Why do you refuse to understand this?
You did these patterns for MW2, it was useful for MW2, we were all happy you did it.
You do this for BO, it's useless & terribly misleading.

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dhoop17

Doppel, just edit your post to say FAVORITE instead of BEST and maybe they will stop.

As for the chart being usless because of recoil being random: yes, everytime you burst fire a particular gun it won't be the same. However you can still tell that the Famas, for example, will jump right and left, where the Galil will jump just to the right. So there is definately some benefit to his findings.

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doppelganger

I get what you are saying now, I was misunderstanding you at first. I was just under the assumption that the guns would act the same in BO as they did in MW2.

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chaR

Those figures were exactly determined a week ago already by denkirson. An image like this doesn't give an accurate representation due to the randomness. Statisticly it'd be possible to have the M60 have the same recoil as the G11, which is why these images are of no use at all. If you want to have any actual idea of what the recoil is like, you have to simply read the denkirson site.
Black Ops | DenKirson on Xanga

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Olaf Vikingsson

Of course we fucking will. Those two words mean COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things, especially to the majority of gamers who'll adopt the opinion of the first assertive post they read.

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