Shankapotamus

And decided I'm not getting it for PC. Allow me to explain...

-Claymores are everywhere.
-Nade spam from CoD4 is back.
-Tubes are still here.
-Ak74u= new UMP
-HORRID spawns
-Sniping, wtf shitmarkers?
-Horrible hit detection, I'll be clearly aiming on someone and it goes straight through them, it happens when people shoot at me too.
-My CP's go through the floor....
-Shotties are comparable to going to war with a stick in your hand



I just wasn't as blown away by it as I thought I would be... The jTag version my friend had wasn't this bad, it was actually fun. But after getting the real thing, it fails.

Weapons belong in 3 Tiers.

GOD TIER
-G11
-Commando

REALLY FUCKING GOOD TIER
-Ak74u
-FAMAS

Shit tier
Everything else

Platy

Ah, another exaggeration post.

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Shankapotamus

Not exxageration, I found myself ragequitting more often than I did in Mw2.

Platy

Cool. But yeah, http://www.modernwarfare2forum.com/f...black-ops.html

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blub212212

how will this be fixed in the PS3 in comparison?

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Cloud

Aren't the snipers worse on console than on PC?

I actually think some of those things will be worse on console.(well mainly the hitmarkers and snipers, aint had problems with the rest of the things)

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jclark198

Hit detection is pretty awful. Get 5 hitmarkers on someone, they get one on you, you die.

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chaR

Yep
Yep, I even predicted so.
Nope. Barely anybody tubes nowadays.
Not even close, realized you're clueless right here.
If you think the AK74u is any close to the ump in like ANY way, you're really better off uninstalling the game.
Yep
Use the L96. I tested it, it's fine.
I gotta admit I get some odd hitmarkers now & then to, but after rethinking it, it seems just fine.
Havnt noticed this, though heared quite some complaints about it.
The game is out for 2 weeks, bugs tend to be commonly found in new games. Have patience, stop whining.
You're just having overly high expectations for a brand new game. Stop whining.

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Serval

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Imunality

The Ak-74u is a 3-4-5 shot kill with moderate fire rate. Just because most people use a gun doesn't mean it's overpowered. Machinima Respawn stated that they had nerfed this gun, but I can't find the evidence for that.

Shankapotamus

Mm I didn't make myself clear on the UMP thing. I never thought of the UMP as overpowered, I thought of it as overused and cliche. What is happening with the Ak74u is that everybody has figured out it is one of the best guns on the game. Know what the most popular gun in SnD on BO is now?

Ak74u silenced with tiger camo.

@Serval I don't want to have to waste a perk that could be used for more useful things to prevent shit like that.

Scaar

If it helps you not die, how is it a wasted perk?

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oneinchwunda

^I would guess that there are other perks which also help you not die, only more often, or perks that give more/better advantages.

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amorant

rage quit? i dont think i have rage quit once on this game.i find black ops extremely balanced and fun.also you can play the barebones game modes to get rid of alot of the annoying things your talking about.

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mattv2099

Not a nerf yet. That vonderheim guy (some name like that. lead designer or something?) was looking closely at the ak74u and g11 for a potential nerf.

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chaR

It's the best SMG, nothing more, nothing less and absolutely in no way at all comparable to the UMP.

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CampNGun

Considering that AK-74u is not a recoil free 3 bullet killing machine at any range (with or without silencer), the only similarity they share is being Smgs.

chaR

the ump wasn't exactly recoil free

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Shankapotamus

It is comparable to the UMP. Play SnD, the most popular gun is Ak74u silenced with tiger camo.

chaR

Do you even have any idea why the UMP was so popular?
Not sure what the fuck tiger camo has to do with this either rofl. Silenced weapons are only normal in snd.

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CampNGun

In comparison with the recoil seen in Blops, might as well be recoil free.

pantstofry

Was just gonna say this. Since Blops actually has recoil on weapons, the 47u makes it seem like it has no recoil. Just sayin'. I compare it to the UMP because every damn game has 4 or 5 using it.

chaR

Yeah & that is a completely useless comparison for this matter.
Compared to the other weapons in MW2, it had signifcantly more recoil.

Except for the fact that the 74u doesn't have "no recoil", not even in the slightest. It actually has above average recoil.


It's quite silly to see people whine about the UMP & the 74u and yet their "theories" are filled with nothing but incorrect arguments.

EDIT:

Since I can't be arsed replying to a dozen of other flawed arguments:

The reason the UMP was so popular in MW2 was because of:
The UMP's 35 low end damage, which made a 3shot kill on long range without stopping power.
Because of that, the UMP was a 3shot kill on all ranges w/o SP, which means it's TTK would be unaffected when silencing it. Hence why it was so popular silenced.
Because you wouldn't need SP, the UMP was one of the few weapons that allowed the use of other tier 2 perks without gimping yourself, which is another reason why it was so popular.

Because of these reasons, the ump has the highest low end dps among all SMGs/ARs (tied with the tar), while not needing SP. On top of that, it retains the other qualities of an SMG (movement speed, ADS time, raise/Drop time etc...), which made the UMP an insanely strong weapon.

The reason the AK-74u is so popular:
DPSwise it only comes down to the MP5 & the AK-74u, any other SMG is instantly inferior (you could elaborate on the skorpion, but read the weapon stats thread for further info on this).
In between those 2 weapons, the AK-74 has slightly better stats than the MP5 (slightly less recoil, slightly faster reload, etc...), which makes the AK-74u the best SMG in the game.
It absolutely no special qualities in any way like the UMP & thus is in no way comparable.

If you'd compare the AK-74u to something in MW2, you should compare it to the TAR. Both are the best weapons in their category because their statisticly superior to anything else.

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pantstofry

I compare it to the UMP because both are widely used and popular SMGs, and they are both quite strong. Ofc I can outsnipe it with an AR at range, but medium range it can still get me. I don't think it's really overpowered, it's just seen quite a bit. But w/e, I'm still able to do well so it doesn't bother me.

chaR

People didn't use the UMP because it was an SMG though, that was my entire point.
The UMP doesn't have the no1 characteristic of being a SMG, which is being a good CQC weapon. The UMP had one of the lowest CQC DPS values.

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