blub212212

Basically, one is abortion and one is not. Do you support the choice of abortion?

Personally I do. While it is not right to kill a baby, think of it this way:
A lady is raped. She gets pregnant. She lost her job and can barely support herself. Next thing she knows, her baby is born into this world and the lady's (lets call her Anna) world is spun out of control. Anna can't get enough to eat, the baby is suffering. If the baby (Call him Bob) survives until he his a teenager, he will definitely be depressed, on drugs, or something else illegal. Potentially he could become a murderer and a suicidal person. So have a baby die early, or a kid who kills people/suffers a lot then dies anyways?
your choice...

what you guys think?

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GhostHands

I support access to abortions. I do not support late term abortions, that is just fucked up. I believe a woman has reproductive rights and if she chooses to terminate her pregnancy that is okay. Only gray area is whether or not the father has rights or can make a decision. It may be easier for me to support abortion because I don't believe in God, therefore I don't believe it is a sin, nor do I think destroying a bundle of cells is murder. If I were to become pregnant, I would have an abortion. I am in no way capable financially, emotionally or physically to endure a pregnancy or to raise a child. I think that adoption is a great alternative, provided the adoptive parents pay for everything.

And there you have my view on abortion.

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Voodoo

pro choice.

For the same reasons blub and ghost have pointed out. I do not believe in god, I am opposed to late term abortions, there is a point where a foetus looks eerily like an actual person. All that said, it is the responsibility of the couple (or fuck buddies/whatever the circumstance etc) to use contraceptive measures to prevent a pregnancy in the first place during consensual sex. Rape is obviously another horrible problem.

abortions are fine by me.

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Pyro

I believe that an abortion should only be performed if the pregnancy is threatening the mother's life. I believe there is no reason why adoption is not a better option.

BTW, I do not believe in God, either.

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NinJa

Pro-choice. I could go on about how the child doesn't grow pain receptors in the early stages of pregnancy, but I'll do that later, since I'm busy at the moment. In a nutshell, I support early-pregnancy abortions, the woman also has the choice to make since it's her body, and she can make the choice she wants. I'm opposed as well to late-term abortions, in which adoption would obviously be the better route.

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Pyro

What's bad about carrying the baby to full term? Women, I'd assume, know the possible consequences of sex - an accidental child. Yes, I acknowledge that women are raped and had no choice, but that doesn't change the fact that is a human being. Also, rape very rarely results in a pregnancy. Children who have been conceived and aborted as a result of rape make up a very small percentage of the total abortions. The majority of children who are aborted are conceived from consensual sex. Currently, the law states that an abortion can be performed as long as it is affecting the woman's "health". That term, "health," can mean anything though. It can mean that they got weird looks on the street, it could mean that they won't be able to go out to clubs as much while pregnant, whatever.

So, though I am not dead set on "all abortion is wrong, burn in hell you sinners," I do believe that the rules should be very strict. And by strict, I mean only if it is threatening the mother's own life.

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iMac Girl

And I share your view. I'll go further and add that men, be it the father or any other man has no right to dictate to, or interfere with a woman's/my reproductive rights. It is her/my body.

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Pyro

But what if it is their child? If the father wants the baby, should you be allowed to abort his child? I understand that it is your child too, but you wouldn't have to raise it.

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iMac Girl

It's the woman's body not his, all he does is get a hard on and provide the sperm and he's all done, it's the mother that grows the child. This is not a 50/50 deal. Men have no rights over us or our bodies.

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TheHunter360

Pro Choice

I support Roe V Wade and I believe women have a right to decide the what to do with their body.That being said I am a practicing Muslim so I'm still keeping with my tradition I think women do have a right to abort their baby if they want to, but I wouldn't condone it. IMO abortion should be a last resort when the pregnancy would harm the baby or other mother. Adoptions should be the first choice an expecting mother should consider.

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Vasq

Ah. I got flamed becuase my clan leader almost had an abortion with his wife. Why people cannot respect others opinions, I"ll never know. But, I'm pro-abortion. I'd rather kill a baby to help someone (hopefully) through Stem Cell Research than to give another insignificant life to the world...

Pyro

But it is their child. The father should have the same rights as the mother as to deciding the fate of their child. Obviously, men can not bear children. That's just how we evolved. But to say that the man has no say in deciding the fate of his child seems very wrong to me. At this point, I kind of think the whole "it's my body excuse," is sort of nullified. There are already many restrictions on what you can/can't do with your body. You can't do drugs, you can't murder someone, plus a slew of other things. Women also had control of their body to begin with. There are possible consequences for having sex. A woman making a mistake does not give her the right to kill another human being. (Note: I am ruling out rape because it accounts for so few pregnancies/abortions)

Also, here's some food for thought, how about reverse abortion? Upon birth, the father surrenders all parenting rights, and in turn never has to pay for the child, care for the child, etc. Is that right? Is that okay?

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WeAre138

Pro choice, wholeheartedly. Not like I care about the woman, though. It's more of just me seeking a convenient way out for my irresponsible behaviors with woman.

OzballO

Ok so I'm Pro-Life with the following exceptions:

Rape, incest, or danger to the mother would allow for abortion.

People say it isn't alive but if a woman is murdered while pregnant the murderer get's hit with double homicide. It's a double standard. It's only a life when the woman wants it to be? That's bullshit.

Also a father should have equal right in the decision, she didn't make the baby all herself. Having sex is a joint decision, usually, therefore each person has a responsibility to the child.

There is always the chance to concieve a child when having sex so if a woman doesn't want a child, keep her damn legs closed.

Flyt

I'll play devils advocate here..... what if its the guy that wants the abortion to happen because he is in no condition (financial, emotional, physical, etc) to support the kid and the woman wants to keep it? Should he still be held responsible yet have no part of the decision? It takes two to tango.

Or is only "not a 50/50 deal" until the baby is born then its 50/50 or more, depending on who has more income?

If the guy is just a "sperm donor" then his responsibility ends there and the woman is on her own and the father is only involved to the extent she allows, not the extent she (and the court) dictates.

A woman shouldn't be able to have the one and only vote...her vote should count for more than the guys vote but its shouldn't be the only one.

BTW: I call myself pro-life, but unless I was faced with that decision I'm not sure where I would end up. I'm more of the position where I don't want to think about it b/c both sides have valid arguments and either way its a lose/lose situation.


Edit: Oz, good points. The part about double homicide has always rubbed me the wrong way. Its either a life or its not, choose and stand behind that decision. Your point about keeping her legs shut applies to the guy too......if he doesn't want to be a father....jerk off in his hand.

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Dante

Pro Choice.

Mostly because I don't consider a foetus to be a human being. I see little point in opposing abortion then setting a bunch of exemptions such as rape, danger, financially insecure etc. The way I see it is, it's your child, it's inside you, it has no relationship to anyone except you who it's death will negatively impact in a meaningful way terminate it if you want.

I also, unlike the majority here it would appear, don't really have a problem with late term abortions. I don't really see the difference, I sincerely would like to hear reasons which differentiate early and late term from a moral (rather than anatomical) sense. I am well aware that late term foetuses look much more like people that early term specimens but I find differentiating on this principle sentimental and unnecessary.

The way I see it is throughout the whole term the foetus is merely a potential human being, with no independent circulation, no recognisable personality, no relationships or social interactions. For all intents and purposes it is merely a bundle of cells, the destruction of which has but a fleeting impact on anyone except the parents, which is why the parents get the final call.

The way I see it is, "pro-choice" mean exactly that, you have an unimpeded decision over the destiny of your potential child.


P.S. Thanks for starting this topic, I intended to start one on this issue but every time I remember to do it I didn't have enough time to get my beliefs down in a manner which would provoke debate.

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JoLo

The reason it is so hated is because it allows the fetus to be delivered then killed.

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Flyt

Dante, I lean toward the Pro-life position for the exact reason you stated. Early term/late term, its just too ambiguous. To me its like a light bulb, its either on or off.

Its either a life or not, if its a life its murder, if its not then its excising a tumor.

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Dante

Perhaps that particular piece of legislation didn't differentiate between a late, but "pre-birth" abortion and a "post-birth" abortion. I wouldn't be in favour of what I would call the murder of a young child, whereas I would support the choice the abort a late term foetus.

I don't really see how "late-term" and "delivered" can simultaneously apply to one individual.

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JoLo

I believe it has to do to the fact that once the child reaches a certain size, that late term abortion (usually 3rd trimester) can only be done that way. I would have to look it up to be sure but from my understanding you aren't able to get an abortion legally after your second trimester. (Well not in the USA)

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Alphabuster187

Wow, you and I are on the same page, I don't believe in god either, four people in the same thread??? Priceless, BTW, I don't religion bash, to each his/her own.

I'm pro-choice

When cloning becomes legal, I want your DNA... Gamer chick, loves cars, tattoos, does not want children, cool as hell and open minded...

Women should have the final say. But, what if I don't want it and the woman does, should I be exempted from child support?

Unitl the dude gets pregnant, (and no, that creepy chick/dude from Hawaii doesn't count) the girl has the final say.

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Nibbles

By definition, it is only murder if it is a human being, which is the area of contention. A fetus is a growing, living entity but it lacks the important qualities that make us human. It is of course, in one of the first stages of human development, but until it is born, it should not qualify for special rights.

When is a cake a cake? Can you remove it early from the oven and still call it a cake? Is a car a car before or after construction has been completed at the factory?

Dante's comments convey my thoughts perfectly:

TheHunter360

You guys ever see a protest near an abortion clinic? The most disgusting thing I've ever seen. You see all these young women in a fragile mental states after making a tough decision being called a baby killer and being spat at. Just another reason why I'm reluctant to associate myself with the pro-life movement it seems that everyone in my state takes this issue to an extreme.

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WeAre138

Does anyone know anything about the origins of abortion? Like which civilizations first started performing them?

Amadeus102

I guess I'm not quite either. If you had sex, and don't want to have the baby, so you just get an abortion, that's wrong. However, if the child is going to have a poor quality of life and can't go to an orphanage or foster home, it is a probably better to have the abortion so that they won't have to suffer their whole life. The hardest thing about abortion is just that it's a very touchy topic, and many people feel very strongly about it.

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