OzCueball

This may seem a bit late in the game for a thread like this, but its taken me this long to come to a defined conclusion.

My feelings on this stem from multiple aspects such as:

1. Cod Points
2. Killstreak kills
3. Pace
4. Sniping
5. Secondary weapons
6. Ambition


1. Cod Points. I don't like them. They seem to (me anyway) have taken away the feeling accomplishment from the game. I found myself not caring anymore about my XP points (which in all right is more important) and focusing on the Cod points cause hell i didn't matter what gun i unlocked if i didn't have the money to buy it.

It also diminished the call sign system altogether. With MW2 you knew you were playing someone how had completed some sort of challenge just by the callsign they wore. Now its who was able to make a money shot look the most realistic.

2. Killstreak kills. Call me a baby, bitch, noob; whatever, i don't care. I preferred being able to string a kills together using my killstreaks. Not only was it more thrilling (again, for me) to see if my harrier would get the two kills i needed before it got shot down, but it implored me to pick my killstreaks more strategically. To me that was more important than just figuring what killstreak i'd like to use.

3. Pace. In general, Black Ops seems to move slower than MW2, which after awhile i got used to. But once i went back and played MW2 again it seemed exciting and thrilling once again. There seems to be more going on at a giving time (maybe because the maps aren't as big as black ops) and it feels more adrenaline pumping, which is the biggest reason i play.

4. Sniping. WTF!?!?!? First off, MW2 had maps built for sniping. Wasteland, Afghan, quarry and a few others had many long range opportunities than Black ops. Even with the other maps i could figure out ways to snipe in them. With Black Ops it seems like almost all of the maps are geared toward run and gun. The only map that has a great long range spot for sniping is Havanah and still no one really utilizes it.

Then there are the sniper rifles them selves. Now im not as fluent with knowing the mitmaker ratio as most of you here are, but it seems like the sniper rifles in Black Ops have been significantly nerfed down. To the point where it seems pointless to even try to use one.

Sniping is my favorite part of any FPS and this was a huge let down for me. I continue to use them in Black Ops occasionally and do fairly well but nothing to the point of how i used to do. I find it to be a shame.

5. Secondary Weapons. Shotguns are now Primaries? I know this isn't hot off the presses news but i still feel a bit shocked by this. Now i never use shotguns. With how big the maps are, using a shotgun would force me to camp if i wanna survive and reach any kind of killstreak. Not to mention the change in the Spas. WHATS WITH THAT?!?!?

Side note: Something all the COD's are starting to become guilty of is changing weapons around throughout their games. Not just to the extent of how powerful/effect the weapon is but even to whether it's a burst fire or auto. Case in point:

COD4 + M16 = Orgasm
MW2 + M16 = Decent weapon, but there are better ones
Black Ops + M16 = Piece of shit!! It's one of the first guns you get

MW2 + Famas = Burst Fire
Black Ops + Famas = Full Auto

MW2 + Spas = Pump action
Black Ops + Spasp = Semi-auto

I just don't understand how/why they change weapons to that extent. Maybe they're trying to keep the games fresh? If thats the case then put new guns in the game. You can't tell me that they've used the extent of all the possible weapons available, and if they have don't degrade a previously appraised gun. That's just low ball!

Jesus where was i? Oh yeah . . .

6. Ambition. This is a factor from all the points said above. After switching back to MW2, i have more ambition to continue playing that and prestiging over and over than to continue playing Black Ops and i haven't even fully ranked up yet in Black Ops. For me, MW2 just seems to be funner, better paced and just an all around better game than Black Ops.


Now i'm not about to sit here and bash on Black Ops with out bringing to light the things i do like about it over MW2.

Theater. The Theater option is a blast. I love the idea of getting to go back and watch the mayhem i caused in previous matches. I had a lot of fun with it in the Halo games and think the inclusion of it in a COD game was only blatenly obvious.

Wager Matches. Now i know i already said i don't like COD points so i may be shooting myself in the foot by saying the wager matches are what make Black Ops a blast. The thrill of wondering if you'll place in the top three and win back you money or not is pretty cool. Not to mention the game modes themselves. I think Gun game and One in the Chamber are great ideas for match types and i only wish they had been doing this sooner. I hope they keep these alive in COD's to come but i hope they figure out a way to do it with out the points. DAMN THOSE POINTS TO HELL!!!!

Killstreaks. While i don't like that you can't string the killstreaks together, i do like the killstreaks that they let you choose from. The stand in for the AC130 that lets you control where it goes is great and i've always wanted a morter/offshore bombing option. Everything was a nice touch, except that car. Everyone uses that damn car. DAMN THAT CAR TO HELL TOO!!!

Now will i liked the inclusion of these features and game types, it wasn't enough to sway me from going back to MW2. So if you'r feeling like playing it again, look and see if im on, if not, i'm probably playing Halo Reach.

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Pyro

Even though this has been discussed a lot already, I'll still add my 2 cents. On the console, I'd probably rate them about equally.

Things I prefer in MW2:
The maps
Secondaries, to an extent
Stopping Power
Footsteps
Unlocking things in general
Titles
Sniping
The setting
The shiny graphics

Things I prefer in Black Ops:
Automatic Famas and the AUG as an assault rifle. It just feels better.
Limited tubes
Emblems
Theater
A bit more balanced
Recoil

And a few things I am undecided about. For the most part, I prefer MW2 killstreak functionality, but I hate the abuse. I wish that either killstreaks didn't stack, or that some of the higher rewards were raised.

I've been playing MW2 these last few days now because my sister gave me her old laptop, that isn't good by any means, but with modded drivers is able to just pull off an aquired copy of MW2 at an average of 20~25 FPS at the lowest graphical settings. I'm sure a lot of people will know what I am talking about when I say that it's been a blast actually being able to play MW2 with dedicated servers and mods such as Gun Game, and this version of the game I'd much rather play than the stock Black Ops.

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Dolfan1985

Black Ops is junk. bought it the first week and returned it the next day. What a waist of money. The game simply sucks. Maps, guns, sound, graphics, etc suck bad!

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Platy

Black Ops is better than MW2. But dying a slow, painful death from Ebola is better than MW2, so that's not much of a compliment.

Call of Duty sucks now anyway. Franchise is dead to anyone other than casual gamers.

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oneinchwunda

Platy, either of those last two statements must refer to console gamers, otherwise it is inherently WRONG.

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Platy

Why would I comment on a platform I know nothing about? And since when did casual (i.e. plug in play type) players play on PC?

CoD4 is great on PC. Black Ops, I assume is doing well. WaW I presume is dying, as it is on console (although dead would be a better word to describe), and MW2 on PC, let's avoid that.

What I really meant was that the game is catering towards the extremely casual type, who just want a bit of simple fun, hence why everyone loves MW2 and most people hate on Black Ops. If it keeps going that way, which I'm going to guess Activision will want to take it more in that direction as it equals better sales, it'll be dead to me and many other people I talk to.

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oneinchwunda

You included PC when you didn't single out console gamers.

CoD is certainly not dead on PC. There are thousands of servers for CoD2 and CoD4. WAW and BO are not as popular, but many (relative to consoles though, this number is tiny) still play them.

That's why your last statement in particular was inherently wrong.

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Skuh

explain to me why it is 'inherently' wrong

oneinchwunda

This statement is inherently WRONG because of the sheer amount of both competitive and casual PC players that still play it regularly.

Did you not read my last post?

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Skuh

he didnt say pc and going on gamebattles shows a distinct drop of activity of competative gaming.
Arguing for the sake of it just beacuse someone is on a different platform does nothing except show fanboi ism.

Platy

I never talk about PC, you should know that. Stop trying to act like ViS and grow up.

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oneinchwunda

/sigh

You make an incorrect statement, I tell you it's wrong, I get called a "fanboi...", even though I'm talking about something that has very little to do with the superiority of one platform over another.

FYI, very few PC gamers use/have used GB, especially for CoD.

This made me laugh. You were wrong, so you insulted me. If memory serves correctly, that is an argument known as "ad hominem".

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Actually, I have an idea. Let's clarify this. Here goes:

Platy said this:

Therefore I said this:

The reason I said this is as follows. The "franchise" (never liked that term) is not dead on the PC platform. I know this because there is still thousands of servers for several CoD games that people play on regularly. As you can probably guess, the most popular of these are CoD2 and CoD4. Furthermore, there are still hundreds of amateur/semi-pro teams competing in several main leagues/ladders, once again mainly on those aforementioned games. From this evidence, I would define the CoD franchise as NOT DEAD. Therefore, your statement is wrong. If you referenced console gaming in the original statement, I would have no problem.

That is all. Oh, and if you still fail to understand my point; fuck off.

Sorry, the curse was only included for teh lulz. I had to make myself seem a little hostile after your comment regarding ViS.

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dhoop17

First of all, I love black ops. Let me give my opinion.

1. I'm indifferent about Cod points. I'm not presitging so they are irrelevant to me. As for the call signs, you say that when you played against someone you knew they had accomplished something. Sorry, but that is completely wrong. You knew that they either accomplished something OR boosted for it. The reason they did away with "earned" callsigns/titles is because everyone wanted to do away with boosting.This was the only way to really do it. Personally, I like the ability to make whatever you want and add some personality to your emblem.

2. Killstreak stacking made gave moderately skilled players the ability to have 30+ kills in a match if they could manage to get 5 in a row. Basically, it was easy mode and you can't do that in Black Op's. I love that I have to shoot 11 people for dogs. Makes me feel like I earned it.

3. IMO, people who complain about pace need to get moving and search out the enemy. I personally have no trouble whatsoever feeling my adrenaline pump. It does get slow at times, I'll give you that. But for the most part I disagree.

4. I agree 100%

5. Shotguns need a beef since they are Primaries. The Shotties in Mw2 were MUCH better and they were secondaries. But this is another thing that people complained about for the last year: OP secondaries.
As for the Spas: in real life, the spas can be used as a pump and as a semi-auto. Treyarch didn't really pull this out of their asses, its how the gun really functions. But honestly, the only shotgun worth using is the spas and thats because its semi auto and you can stay off the radar with the silencer without penalty to the guns damage.

The only things I hate about this game is the hit detection and Last Chance. Everything else I love or can deal with. I played a bit of Mw2 a couple weeks ago and in 3 games I remeber exactly why I love Bops:

There is no:
Commando
Death Streaks
Quick Scopers
OMA/Scav. Noob toobs
Nukes
Boosting
Unlimited Claymores
Pre-tubing
etc
etc
etc
etc.....

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oneinchwunda

I think you missed modded lobbies off that list.

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Platy

Yes, I was talking about console gaming, I followed it up with this. Which you ignored, as usual.

How about, you just correct me with in the first post rather than trying to antagonise?

The forum died before Christmas because of you and your PC "friends" attitude to the other members of the forum. It's picked up a bit, but if you're going to go back to that attitude it will die again.

All these posts are pointless if you had just explained what you see on PC, something which I don't know about because I don't play on PC.

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oneinchwunda

Clearly wasn't ignored.

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The first quote was followed by this:

After making the first post, I thought you would understand. You clearly didn't, so I posted the above. How you failed to understand even after, I don't know.

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Platy

I did understand, I even commented on the PC side of the game in pretty much the same way as you did BEFORE you did...

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pantstofry

Ignoring the bickering... I played MW2 at my friend's house on his PS3. Here's what we both noted...

The fun we had playing MW2 was basically showing off the titles. I LOVED how you could get different silver/gold titles based on how much you loved/used a certain weapon. Of course hackers diminished this slightly but I have the Silver RPD emblem, which not many have, it shows I enjoy using that weapon. In Black Ops, getting the killstreaks was fun, but lost its value quickly, as expected. I still haven't found a gun I truly enjoy using, but I guess that will come with more playing time (i have like 2 days already...)

In MW2, I was still playing for those titles long after anything else didn't matter to me. Not to mention it's much easier to get your killstreaks and such. It's just a shame we had to swim through incredible amounts of hacked lobbies to find virgin ones. I'd assume it's the same on Xbox, so I'm going to continue with Black Ops.

Maybe commentating games will help me enjoy it more. Still have to find my favorite weapon.

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Megika

I prefer the emblems in Black Ops, since they actually have some artistic ability involved - they're not just "You use the same weapon over and over" or "You got lucky shooting a C4 through a wall" etc.

Skuh

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gerry13cs

FINALLY,someone who knows how to judge a game!!

black ops have an awesome campaign but multiplayer is nothing to mw2

very few maps for sniping,copied killstreaks and generally i don't like it's gameplay-it's not so realistic like mw2...

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to all of you saying that mw2 was a huge fail--could someone tell me why was it???

players can't appreciate anything nowadays-IW made an awesome game but just because it was that good everybody started complaining about something!!

i hope that mw3 will be s**t so that everybody will like it.....

plumsypie

i think pretty much everyone like mw2 more than black ops.....its an okay game.....but it should be amazing considering it came AFTER mw2...you'd think it was made before if you didn't know

abc

Seriously do not use that word. 10 foot knifing, akimbo machine pistols and quickscoping to name a few.


Otherwise I'm suprised to find myself agreeing with a hell of a lot of what is said in this post. EXCLUDING the 2 game annihalating flaws on PC: Hacking & no dedicated servers, which completely destroy any hopes of anyone preffering MW2 or MW2 being better, MW2 just has a few annoying bits. When it comes down to those minor annoying bits MW2 does seem the better game.

Unfortunately MW2 has those two genuinly game breaking flaws which make BOps infinitely better than MW2 on PC despite MW2 being a better game.

My argument? Both games had some big annoyances: killstreaks stacking a little too easily and poor weapon balance (Akimbo, UMP etc) whilst BOps' has several mentioned in this thread already so I won't repeat them. MW2 had less annoyances which should have make it better. This is probably true for consoles but on the PC IWnet was such a big flaw it makes virtually any game "better" than MW2.

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pantstofry

Okay, I'm bored and this forum isn't exactly very active, so I'm going to make separate lists as to why like/dislike each game. I prefer Blops overall by a good margin, but here goes anyway (YES, THERE WILL BE REPEATS OF WHATS BEEN SAID)

Blops-the GOOD

• non-stackable killstreaks, makes me feel like I really earned them now (i've used the gunship now and the game is great because of the feeling of earning those 11 kills)
• Lack of stopping power. Yes. I like this. Used to hate it, but now I don't mind it, because you have to be precise and it's taught me to be patient (i.e. don't shoot at a guy you're not going to kill and give away your position)
• Guns are fun and somewhat more challenging to use (im looking at you ACR)
• Playercards. Nuff said. well, besides the penises adorning every other weapon you pick up
• Level 50 vs 70. Love this, makes prestiging a goal rather than a long, lame task.

The BAD

• RCXD, although it's easy to avoid, still should be 1 kill higher IMO.
• Being seen by air support while using Ghost in order to get Ghost Pro is annoying.

For MW2 i'm just going to list the crap things about it that 3arc addressed successfully IMO.

• Air Support. Harriers or CGs in every game, all the time. Non-stacked KSs obv fix this well.
• Tubes. They're the most expensive attachment, unable to be replenished, but still useful in certain objectives.
• Knifing. Obv commando gone, still I hate knife lunges, but sometimes its just the lag.
• Spawns. I dunno, I still feel like I do get lame spawns, but to be honest it's not the game's fault all the time when you go up in the enemy spawn yourself and your team is across the map, where else are they gonna spawn?
• Cod Points. Makes you have to unlock it, but have a plan on what you're gonna buy, i know money isn't really a problem for most, but still...

/allicouldthinkof

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Shankapotamus

To be honest, it comes down to this for me. I'd rather play a broken but fun game than a fixed boring game.

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