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Old 12-18-2009, 10:59 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Default Re: MW2 "Harder" Than COD4?

Tuk hit the nail on the head as far as im concerned.

@abc i dont feel your point holds any ground what so ever.

firstly, its 3 kills + hardline.

secondly, the chance of you getting either AC or CG in a care package is 17/1.

thirdly, they can both be shot down. stupidly fast.

fourthly (ha) not only do they have to call the care package, they have to run out in the open to get it. They can be intercepted.

fiftly, your example:

roughly aim at someone with noob tube, - 1 kill.
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repeat.

Also, i have never, ever let the enemy team get 3 kills from a harrier or 8 kills from a chopper gunner. Man up and take the damn things out of the sky.

its crazy the amount of people that whine about killstreaks, when the only one you should ever get killed by is the predator missile. If you die from anything else its your fault for not dodging it or taking it out of the sky.

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Default Re: MW2 "Harder" Than COD4?

CoD4 =/= MW2

It's like trying to compare FIFA to Pro Evo. Sure, they're the same genre of game, but they require two completely different playing styles; the same way that CoD4 and MW2 require two completely different playing styles. If you want to succeed at both, you have to learn to play differently.

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i agree with loft even if u don't shoot it down u can still stay in a building and not get killed by it. If ur teamates can't do this than ya that means u need to shoot it down that's why they put in at4 stinger javelin and even noob tubes cuz with a couple of those and sp pro u can shoot a harrier down. and u can charge and get kills in hardcore with almost any gun if u do it right and flank/ circle ur opponents. Also when we talk about noobs camping and getting kills on u stop charging the same place. For instance, i was playing rundown and was moving below the long buidling with 3 stairways to enter and got sniped from across the map. so instead of running back across the same place i went under the 3 bridges came up behind the guy and killed him. this is all in hardcore where i don't have killcam. i know that there is only 2-3 places on the other side of the map that i could have been sniped on from i searches those 3 and found him in the second one killing 3 of his teammates along the way.
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1. You don't need to be charging the same place over and over again to get killed by a noob in a corner with the faggotshotguns.

2. Nobody's addressed the fact that we now have infinite ammo tubes (if you think tubes are fine, you are obviously mentally handicapped).

3. Nobody's addressed the massive overpoweredness of the killstreaks and the fact that they cause a player's score to be unrepresentative of their skill due to the massive amount of AI fighting that's taking place.

4. You are all failures.
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Old 12-19-2009, 03:18 AM   #55 (permalink)
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MW2 really can be harder and can not be harder for two simply reasons, if u have half a brain and decent reflexes you are pretty much set. Two if you cant think remotely tactically or you dont have great reflexes your screwed. Where as in COD4 it usually came down to the power of your weapon and how accurate you were with it. But in MW2 since the weapons are stronger (IMO) it comes down to who has the best reflexes and accuracy.

About tubers, I couldn't care less I usually put a bullet in there face with my sniper rifle . Campers, I hate them if I cant get past them, i go a different way, or again just use a sniper .

Vis - Killstreaks are a piece of pie to get rid of, I have a class which contains stingers scav and cold blooded (for the challenges). When im using it, espically harriers barely get a chance to stop once they have entered the map.

In Mw2 there is a way to counter everything, you just have to think about.
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Old 12-19-2009, 06:57 AM   #56 (permalink)
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3. Nobody's addressed the massive overpoweredness of the killstreaks and the fact that they cause a player's score to be unrepresentative of their skill due to the massive amount of AI fighting that's taking place.
actually, it was directly addressed several times, but obviously you have decided you're right on this issue and are refusing to listen to what others say.


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Old 12-19-2009, 07:02 AM   #57 (permalink)
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oh, and there are large communities of private matches that aren't hard to get involved in where you will find settings more to your liking if you're looking for a more vanilla type setup.
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:21 AM   #58 (permalink)
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1. You don't need to be charging the same place over and over again to get killed by a noob in a corner with the faggotshotguns.

2. Nobody's addressed the fact that we now have infinite ammo tubes (if you think tubes are fine, you are obviously mentally handicapped).

3. Nobody's addressed the massive overpoweredness of the killstreaks and the fact that they cause a player's score to be unrepresentative of their skill due to the massive amount of AI fighting that's taking place.

4. You are all failures.
1. yes you do.

2. thats a hack/glitch, doesnt count.

3. yes we have, multiple times. They are not overpowered.

4. ironic.
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Default Re: MW2 "Harder" Than COD4?

This game is unbalanced, but not so much that a veteran FPS should bitch and whine endlessly about. If you're so good you are probably getting your harrier/ac130 more often than the other noobs anyway. So is there so much to complain when a random noob happens to get it once in 10 games? Great, there score is inflated for that one map. Big friggin' deal. You know you'll pwn them right back the next map anyway. There isn't even money on the line here, just some stats no one really cares about but you.

StarCraft took years to reach their holy grail of balance. Why would anyone expect MW2, with over 20 weapons, 6 weapon attachments and a ton of kill streaks, to be balanced right now? I think we can all still enjoy the game despite some obvious issues right now, and the only one that has really ticked anyone off which IW has done something about is the akimbo 1887s.

There, my $0.02
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Old 12-19-2009, 03:28 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Another thing:

This isn't a purists' FPS. If you want that, go play CS1.6 or Quake live. This is meant to be enjoyable for the masses without ruining it too much for the more skilled amongst us. So far, from my experiences it has been done well. If you oh-so wish MW2 to punish noobs as hard as possible for being the noobs they are, wait for the pro mods.
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1. yes you do.
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3. yes we have, multiple times. They are not overpowered.
Let me reiterate; nobody INTELLIGENT has CORRECTLY addressed the overpoweredness of the killstreaks.
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No you don't.



You actually unlock it at level 7 or level 45.



Let me reiterate; nobody INTELLIGENT has CORRECTLY addressed the overpoweredness of the killstreaks.
yes you do. mwahahaha

ah i assumed you meant the automatic/full ammo thing going on. one man army noob tubes doesnt really count. The grenade launcher is actually pretty shit. the blast radius is terrible and with guns having so little recoil it really isnt as powerful as it was in COD4.

whats overpowered about something that can be shot down within 10 seconds? i mean seriously, the stinger is in the game for a reason.
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@abc i dont feel your point holds any ground what so ever.

I do

firstly, its 3 kills + hardline.

Ok, I was wrong but I don't think, given how easy it can be to get semi-luck based kills, an extra kill changes much.

secondly, the chance of you getting either AC or CG in a care package is 17/1.

Whilst probabilties are valueable they are far from infalible. I used care package for some time and at least 1/2 of my rewards I actually got were AI controlled, thus requiring literally no skill whatsoever to control. I would also be confident in estimating I got far more than 1 in 17 care packages as chopper/AC10 gunner.

thirdly, they can both be shot down. stupidly fast.

That does not mean they are. I have been in countless games and read countless rants on here of team mates who seemingly fail to realise that the sole purpose of an enemy chopper/AC130 is to kill you, which coincidently is the entire point of the game. It astonishes me how many people don't even bother to try and take out chopper/AC130 gunners.

Secondly it is virtually equally as easy to take out those trying to take you out.


fourthly (ha) not only do they have to call the care package, they have to run out in the open to get it. They can be intercepted.

Yes, it can be easily intercepted. It is however even easier to manouver yourself into a position (a rooftop, somewhere near your spawn, near a lot fo team mates, far away from the enemy, outside a building with one door, behind a big secluded building etc etc) where the likelihood of it being intercepted is very low

fiftly, your example:

roughly aim at someone with noob tube, - 1 kill.
cook grenade, shot in the back. - 1 death.
no killstreak reward.

If corrected you need to camp and get two kills, which isn't very difficult.

repeat.

Also, i have never, ever let the enemy team get 3 kills from a harrier or 8 kills from a chopper gunner.

Well then your friends are very lucky to have someone who can spot extremely obvious threats on their team.

Man up and take the damn things out of the sky.

As I said I am one of the extremely few people to even bother trying.

Secondly they are not as simple to take out as you think if you, as I do, have better things to use as a secondary weapon or have better classes to have than one specifically for taking down air support.

Even if you have a dedicated stinger heli takedown class you still rely on using scavenger to pick up an extra missile and the gunner operator being unfortunate enough not to notice the one person looking at the sky repeatedly, the big vapour trail and hear the missile warning indicator.


its crazy the amount of people that whine about killstreaks, when the only one you should ever get killed by is the predator missile. If you die from anything else its your fault for not dodging it or taking it out of the sky.

Finally, you dont have to SHOUT IN CAPITALS WITH REALLY BIG LETTERS TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS.
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MW2 "Harder" Than COD4?


Well considering MW has loads of auto-aim assistance and MW2 has none, then yes it must be harder or is someone going to try and tell me auto-aim make it harder.

I'm surprised in 3 pages of this thread all you've managed to do is have a row about kill streaks, yet utter overlooked the most important change to the way the game is played.

Don't you remember how easy MW was to aim down the sight and lock on, or how your crosshairs would start to wonder as they tracked an enemy that you had not even spotted.

There is no more of that, auto-aim is gone. You have to aim for yourself, you can't easily track a moving target any more. This is what makes MW2 harder than the original.

Now it take more personal skill to get a kill, it has put a lot of people off and has led to the terrible camping that MW2 suffers from. It has raised the bar enough to make it harder for low and average skillplayers to not get pwned, so the've either quit playing already or just they just camp.

Personally I prefer the old auto-aim, it might take less skill but it was more fun.
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However if you use scavenger you can't have SP which means most guns are PATHETIC
Next I blame the fact that a camper can get two kills, get an airdrop, get an AC130/chopper gunner and then spawn kill everyone for the next 60 seconds.
Wow, do you even play this game? I'd assume not, seeing as you seem to have no knowledge of this game. First of all, Scavenger is a tier one perk, meaning you CAN have stopping power equipped as a tier 2 perk. Second, to get a Care Package, you need four kills, not two. Third, it's EXTREMELY UNLIKELY you'll get a chopper gunner or AC130 from a care package. I'm talking somewhere along the lines of 1% that you'll get something like that from a Care Package. Fourth, you have these things called stun grenades and flashbangs in this game. Use them. If you're getting killed by campers, try not going in to the room again to get a revenge kill. You're a Admin, you should know these things. On topic, MW2 only seems harder because people have been playing COD4 for years, and this is a month out of the gates. If you're complaining about all the "NEW WAYS" to be killed in the game, everyone was thinking the same thing when perks came out in COD4. Give it some time, you'll get better at it, stop complaining.
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CoD4 singleplayer WAY harder than MW2.

MP is all down to luck and connection most of the time, I don't think you can assign a difficulty to something that relies on these, or the ability of someone to camp.
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On topic, MW2 only seems harder because people have been playing COD4 for years, and this is a month out of the gates. If you're complaining about all the "NEW WAYS" to be killed in the game, everyone was thinking the same thing when perks came out in COD4. Give it some time, you'll get better at it, stop complaining.
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MW2 is actually a truckload easier than cod4 imo, due to the imbalancedness of many things like kill streaks, tubes, shotguns being broken, death streaks, etc...

Promod for this game & it could have a decent feature. Else it'll die out once everybody is tired of pubbing.
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