FPS Panda

Does anyone else feel like they're doing worse in multiplayer in MW2 than they did in COD4? I'm not trying to brag, but I was pretty good at COD4 in that I could get at least 20+ kills every game and at least less than 10 deaths.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like I'm still getting used to the game and I've had it since day one. I was playing COD4 since the Christmas it came out so maybe that's why I'm so much better at it.

Another thing about MW2 is just the fact that they added so much to it. The killstreak rewards, perks, equipment, attachments, weapons, etc are maybe just taking me a while to "master" and get my head around.

Compared to MW2, COD4 looks like a very simple game.

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abc

Oh believe me it is no coincidence people do better on COD4, there are simply less ways of dying and killing is harder... read the bit about COD2 at the end of my post for more.


On MW2 you are either victim to the lag, the camping, the AC130 and will do very well to get 20:10 or you are the one with the killstreaks and will get 37 - 2. End of.




Personally I blame it on the lag which is, no exaggeration here, 4 times higher on MW2 (COD4 ping: 50 vs MW2 ping of around 200) which makes it impossible to actually do well.

Then I blame it on the incredibly silly level of balance some bits of the game have: If you don't use scavenger you WILL run out of ammo after 5 kills thus die. However if you use scavenger you can't have SP which means most guns are PATHETIC (ACR anyone, that shoots paper, right?)

Next I blame the fact that a camper can get two kills, get an airdrop, get an AC130/chopper gunner and then spawn kill everyone for the next 60 seconds.



As i say in all ranting about "newer" CODs they are making them more complicated in trying to make it more accessible and as a result the skill level needed to get a kill is the lowest it has ever been, therefore it is difficult to do well because everyone on the opposing team whether they are pro or day 1 can feasibly kill you.

Early COD games were so pure it is uncomprehensible now: In COD2 you had you and a gun with bullets and had to fire when your sights were over an enemy (no bullets through paper, let alone through walls) or you would not get a kill. If you didn't learn to aim for the head in 0.03 seconds with a Kar98K you'd get owned - because EVERYONE else could.

Early COD games, and even COD4 relative to MW2 has NO excuses, no campers, no lag, you won't die from missiles falling from the sky etc

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Dante

This, in MW2 you pwn or get pwned and who gets to do the pwning has very little relation to their skill.

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Olaf Vikingsson

The sheer brokeness of Scav and OMA also come into play. A friend of mine routinely combats abusive play by camping up in a remote corner of the map with OMA, rifle grenades and Danger Close. He then spends the entirety of the round firing the launcher like a mortar and using OMA (pro gives a 3 second changing time) to reload. This equates to being able to "hand of God" people with the result based on dice rolls.

Scav, on the other hand, allows you to use a secondary. IW, in their indisputable genius, decided to provide THE most broken weapon from CoD4 as a secondary as well as reincarnating it as a primary attachment. We now have Ye Olde Overkill Tubes with extra-splodey and infinite ammo.

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Fed-Up

Harder? No.
Spammier and campier? Hell yea.

abc

How, given that anyone can kill you with any of these without even being able to see let alone aim at you is the game not harder to not die in.

• Javalin
• Airstrike
• Heli
• Pavelow
• AC130
• Chopper gunner
• care package
• grenade
• akimbo 1887
• noobtube
• martydom
• emergency airdrop
• predator

All of those can kill you without even aiming precisely at you (akimbo) or in most cases without even being able to see you.

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Loftusboi

i would say it is harder yes. Looking at if from a new players perspective insted of mine, it would be quite a few days of 'what the fuck?' when you start playing MW2.

If a player had never played a shooter game before, they could pick up COD4, and although they wouldnt be pro overnight, they tended to pick up the basics very fast. Now, with all the killstreaks, attachments etc. it gives more of an angle for the pro's versus the newbs. i think the exceptional players out there would probably find MW2 easier, as they have more ways to kill an opponent who may not be as skilled.

On the flipside, a new player has so many ways of dying to better players, and probably wont even understand what is going on for the first week or two of games.

@abc dont forget its just the pc version that got raped lag wise... MW2 for me blows COD4 out of the water as far as connections and matchmaking goes. i had exactly the same problems you have with MW2 but with COD4, and vice versa. The matchmaking and lag side of things (can only talk for pS3) is one of the major plus points for me over COD4.

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sjmd82

Agree with Loftusboi about the connections on PS3 which are much more consistent than COD4

Olaf Vikingsson

You only can't tell if you're being raped lag-wise because you've ALWAYS been raped lag-wise.

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Ignorance is bliss.

haayward

Then I blame it on the incredibly silly level of balance some bits of the game have: If you don't use scavenger you WILL run out of ammo after 5 kills thus die. However if you use scavenger you can't have SP which means most guns are PATHETIC (ACR anyone, that shoots paper, right?)


wat, why game are you playing that doesnt allow you to have stopping power and scavenger?

Symbiote_Sabre

Umm Scavenger is tier 1 perk and Stopping power is tier 2, you can have them both..

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JieDee

First I know what your saying with scavenger it is very usefull..!! But without it you can still pick up a fallen enemies gun and use it so long as you are proficient with a few of the different weapons on mw2..!! But back to the point.. I reckon that MW2 is the same as cod4, I was just as succesful apart from the killstreaks have helped me get some excellent scores..!! Of course that is imo..!!

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AfterMath

I believe that COD4 took way more skill, as far as gun control in MW2 I believe it is alot easier. Modern Warfare 2 has been some what ruined by all the kill streaks because everyone is so K/D concious that they just sit back get their predator missle, then harrier, and then chopper gunner and thats 20 kills right there easily and your not even using your gun for 50% of your kills. The only way I will ever love this game is if they make a playlist somewhat close to future MLG PCL settings.

Mick281

QFT. This game is noob friendly. AR's have no recoil and kill very fast.

COD4 KD on new account was 1.63 before I started messing around.
MW2 KD is 1.81.

I wouldnt say its harder but Its definitely not as fun as COD4. MW2 is a FAIL.

AfterMath

I agree I just hate the playstyle its become its all about how fast you can get your airsupport up your K/D doesnt really trully reflect your overall skill(not directed at you)

JieDee

At the same time you dont get your killstreak perks without pwning the other team..!! I have admitted already that I think that mw2 >mw purely because I have had many matches where I have been 30+ 20+ -2or 3 obviously anihalating the other team..!! Admitedely half of the thanks goes towards my killstreak reward, but at the same time when the enemy gets the same killstreak benefits I know what to do to stop them being as effective..!!

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AfterMath

Yea I just hope they make a playlist minus the killstreaks. Hopefully an MLG playlist.

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flyinforlife

i have one thing to say quit BITC#ing and get over urselves. God if this games so hard then quit playing if u get pissed off at it turn it off and leave it there for a week i'm tired of hearing everyone here talk about how they have made this game noob-friendly. Of course they have, first of all they are in it to make money. Second how would u feel if u where a noob and couldn't get a kill for ur first hour playing u would probably quit and never play again. talking about how cod 2 was all about u being better than the other guy i mean come on that's why it didn't appeal to the masses which is what matters. Sorry if all of u traditional gamers can't stand this but i'm tired of hearing it's not my fault i can't go 20:10 constantly. Why do u need to do u have to be the best player out there, this games is about having fun not being the best which is all 99% of the people on this forum care about.

Olaf Vikingsson

I decided to not be a total idiot and learned to play the game. People with sub-par IQs feel the burn of it. Get used to it.

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AfterMath

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Olaf Vikingsson

Let me just reiterate that for the people who will inevitably misconstrue what I said.

We don't dumb down football so that people in wheelchairs can play in major leagues. Why should games be dumbed down so that stupid/slow people can play them with the genetically advantageous people and perform just as well?

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jason221

Well, I'd just like to say that not *ANYONE* can own in this game. Most noobs (possibly inadvertently) will rush and get owned by campers.

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abc

What if I am sniping of using something like an M16 where the whole advantage comes from keeping your distance from the enemy? I agree once you've cleared one side of the map sniping there sno harm in moving to a few dead bodies and picking stuff up... although dropped weapons seem to disappear after a rather short time in MW2?

Make game easier for low skilled players > more people buy it > IW & 402 can use £20 notes as toilet paper.

Joking aside I agree with what you are saying. MW2 is much more accessible than COD2 because it has a million different ways to get kills without any skill, unfortunately 999,984 of these methods contribute to making it a worse game for everyone else.

If I stood in some sort of position where I can just aim down my sights at an alleyway or door or w/e (and there are plenty of opportunities) you'd call me a noob - I'm making use of a building with one entry and just watching the door with a shotgun right? But I could do that & get either 2 kills and a care package thus chopper gunner and then WTF own everyone and finish perhaps 30:9 for all the times the camp didn't work. You even camp for 4 kills: predator, get two kills: harrier, let it do it's business and get chopper gunner.

Quite right, but I think IW have tried far too hard and as a result made the game a deadlock where ironically as we have said you either WTF annihalate the opposition (only fun for one guy doing the annihalating) or get WTF annihalated (which is obviously what happens to 9/9 of the enemy.

I completely hear what you're saying, too hard games are not fun hence why COD games are stupidly unrealistic (calling in a stealth bomber in broad daylight - why bother? Equally you don't call in an AC130 and get told "AC130 have been banned from flying during daylight since the vietnam war due to liability to RPG and non-heat-seeking [which is what enemies to the AC130 use, since they can't afford western weapons] enemy weaponary") in order to be fun. But even COD2 was fun because it was rewarding when you did get a kill because you knew you'd really earnt it.

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R_BURGUNDY

I think that MW2 is harder to stay alive but it took more skill to master the weapons in COD4
The match making is flawed or it could be that the IW networks must remember me from COD4 and consider me superior hence they lump me with the low level noobs that don’t seem to understand that running in to the bullets is not the way forward….

But all together I think the game is pretty fair you get what you put in.

The good players will excel and the R-tards will complain and get owned why is it pwned ? I am still new to the Forum world