Olaf Vikingsson

Oh no.

You are now DEFINITELY an idiot.

The MEAN will be less than one because of suicides. The MODE can be anything depending on the skill distribution among the community.

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JU57US

I'm trying too hard to find a mistake? What? Because there WAS a mistake?

0 deaths don't "count" as 1 death. If you killed everyone in one life, without dying, then you do not even have a Kill-Death-Ratio because there were no deaths. When queried for a KDR, if a guy goes 10-0 on his very first match, the game will likely say "10.0" simply because it is impossible to divide by 0 and there will be no value to display otherwise.

What I did was point out that your example was flawed, and thus your overall statement was flawed. It's not a problem with your math, it's a problem with the variables you chose to use.

HBK

My K/D ratio is only 1.4 at about 4.000 kills lol I stopped playing it for some time.

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Pugnator

you just contradicted yourself. as i said, the game counts it as 1 death, even though it isn't, also, my example is flawed because i just used it to explain a point, proving the average k/dr isn't 1, regardless of the overall k/dr.

that's what i was trying to say, it wasn't supposed to be the exact case. so don't blame me for my "mistake", blame the game not knowing you can't divide a number by 0...

James161324

Mines up to .83 Average
but i usually go 1-2 kdr in match's.

Alphabuster187

What fucking suicides???? Not everyone has/commits suicides in a game.

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Sam

My KD is sadly only 1.6, despite having a 2.21 KD on W@W.

IMO, a good KD is anything over 1.2, once you have reached that you are a solid player in public games. Oh and while he is a bit arrogant in the way he says it, VIS is totally right about the average KD.

SgtJoo

Obviously you don't get it.

If you take the total number of kills ever made on MW2 and subtract the number of deaths the total balances to 0. This is because for every kill someone else dies. If you factor in suicides, the number goes negative because suicides count as deaths, whereas there is nothing to counterbalance suicides on the "kills" side. ViS is saying these suicides skew the mean KDR below 1:1 which is what the ratio would be not counting suicides. If you are talking about mode it's something entirely different.

MoleMania

Dude, I don't mean to come across like that, but ViS nearly always has the right idea about these things. And agreeing with ViS wasn't my main priority with that post - the fact that everyone is taking this waay too seriously was.

I don't mean to be an ass or anything but this lower than 1 concept isn't exactly hard to grasp onto.

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Olaf Vikingsson

This is a typo of "1". I discussed this issue with Joo on Vent (in the presence of two mathematicians, mind you) and we agreed on the matter.

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Alphabuster187

Quit trying to make it a science project, always trying to complicate things by over analysing them.

In front of two Mathematicians, then that's all you had to say it the first place to shut us all up, case closed. ViS is a genius that hangs out with other geniuses (is that the correct plural form?), the rest of us should just pack our shit and not post here since we would always be wrong.

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Olaf Vikingsson

You're the one who's UNDER-complicating things by refusing to even think about this simple maths problem. If every kill results in a death, how can the mean average K be anything other than 1, not counting suicides? If you're talking about the mode average, just say so. Otherwise, you're just making yourself look like an obnoxious idiot.

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Alphabuster187

Mode average is what most people think of when thinking of an average for KDR... like I said before, why bring this mumbo-jumbo "if so and so has so many apples, and half of those apples were eaten by worms, how many where actually picked from the tree rather than from the floor?" Why come up with all that unnecessary shit? That's what I don't get about you.

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Olaf Vikingsson

What the fuck are you talking about?

EDIT: Back up what you said.

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Alphabuster187

Those are my feelings about stuff you post exactly...

What don't you get?

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Olaf Vikingsson

Aside from "most things", what don't YOU get? I've made myself clear enough in all of my posts. I've even avoided anologies because I know that you're not intelligent enough to understand any of them.

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Olaf Vikingsson

Christ. Why don't you cut it with the ad hominems and actually address the arguments that I'm putting out? You seem to be the only person who's having this issue. Admit to the fact that you're only doing this because you don't want me to be right and cut the nonsense.

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Nibbles

A: The ongoing ratio will be 1:1 if we ignore suicides
B: Noone cares about that statistic
C: people are interested in the average K/D ratio itself

I took a sample score from a game on Youtube - one of yours ViS.

Scoring was as follows (Number of kills first, deaths second and the last number per row is the ratio:

K D Ratio
9 2 4.5
7 3 2.3
5 5 1
4 4 1
3 1 3
1 3 0.3

8 5 1.6
5 6 0.8
2 5 0.4
0 0 0
0 6 0

To get the Average we add up all the ratios and divide by the number of players which gets us an average ratio of 1.35 for the game.

Regardless of the 1:1 ongoing ratio, the average I believe people want to talk about is the average I've described. ViS, why argue about something that noone's interested in - shouldn't it be obvious???

Also note that noone left the game - the same number of players on both teams (6 vs 5) throughout. YouTube - Clutch, Joo, clutch.

I either got waaay to much time on my hands or this thread is bugging me too much.

Alphabuster187

That would be the Mode Average, which is the one I'm describing and the one I would think most people think about.

That is exactly what I have been talking about this whole time, but no, everything has to be more complicated.

I guesstimated that the average must be around 1.40 based on Leaderboard stats, simple.

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Dante

Some players must have left, noticed that "Team 1" has 29 kills whereas "Team 2" only have 22 deaths. 7 deaths have disappeared, i.e. players must have left. Your analysis is flawed even when trying to take the modal average, nevermind the mean average.

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SgtJoo

Except for the fact that you're calculating mean by adding up the ratios and dividing by # of players...

According to the Practice of Statistics (2nd Edition) mean is calculated by:
x1+x2+..+xn/n

So by calculating what you did you got 1.35 as the mean as a result of error in the calculations. 9 + 7 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 1 =/= 6 + 6 + 5 + 5

The total kills by our team doesn't match the total deaths of their team. So you got an incorrect number because someone left. You got the mean as 1.35, not the mode.

"In statistics, the mode is the value that occurs the most frequently in a data set or a probability distribution."

The value that occurs most in the previous set of data is 1, therefore the mode is one. If calculated correctly (suicides notwithstanding) the mean is also 1.

1) You calculated the mean and called it the mode.
2) You incorrectly calculated the mean due to incorrect (incomplete) data.

Any questions?

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PrkchpsNaplsaws

Its a simple concept: The average has to be less than 1.00. Unless of course you count the leaderboard hackers who claim to have 1,000:1 or higher.

Not only that - but lets say you do best with a SCAR-H with heartbeat sensor - then you're going to do horrible with every other gun until you get yoru SCAR-H back - making your KDR not so representative of what you can really do.

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chaR

Nice of you to drop by here. Let me suggest you read pages 2&3 where is explained in detail what the average kd ratio is, since you are making the same mistake that has been already corrected 2 pages ago.
This isnt the national spelling bee. I strongly suggest you reread your own post before you start playing grammarpolice btw, since it's got way more spelling error's than the one you are pointing at.

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NinJa

And with that, I'm closing this topic for the time being.

The original poster only intended to find out if anyone could reach his ratio at ten-thousand kills. Instead it turned into a heated argument over what the average ratio of the community was, and people nitpicking each other over the smallest things.

I'll end it with one of the most reasonable posts I've seen in this thread.

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