M4D G4TT3R

id have a lot less of a problem with noobtoobs if they only came with 1 shell and you could not reload them with OMA AND they self inflicted friendly damage in all formats

hiltonig

ive lost count the amount of times i have screamed at the screen becase a noob tube has come flying towards me when i run around the corner!

Shadow Viper

A person spamming the map with 40mm rounds is a person who quickly finds themselves watching a kill cam.

The longer the range is, the harder it is to hit/see a target. By sniping individuals using pro-pipes you reduce your chances of being seen/more easily being hit. In order to launch it at you, they need to see you. Take measures to reduce your risk of being seen/detected.

Honestly, this is all basic stuff. You seriously consider yourself a "way better" player?

Correct you are, that is one example of a counter, very good! I was using "counter" as a term used to describe any tactic/weapon that is useful against another tactic/weapon. Sneaking about is useful(at least in my experience) in not giving the pro-piper a target and killing him/her unseen and/or before they see you.

Some players find it more fun to play without them, just as some players find sniping only, knife only, etc games more fun.

You're entitled to your opinion, I'm sorry if you can not handle someone disagreeing with you on the internet.

QFE, well said.

Your fun is only ruined if you allow it to be. Why let "noob-tubing" bother you?

Complaining/crying/whining/etc about something is pointless, rather than wasting time doing such, why not improve your* skills as a player and learn how to better counter/fight against the weapon/tactic giving you* problems?

*Please note these are general yous and yours.

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chaR

Orly?


Since when do tubers need to see their target to kill them? They only need to know their location.
Or not even that, they can just spam tubes in the known sniper spots to pre-emptivly clear them.

You're screwing it up pretty badly for being basic stuff though.
Seeing as you find this balanced, it indicates you use it yourself & doing mediocre with it.
Games I play with Omatubes to piss the enemy team off, I completely wreck the opposing team, simply because its retardly overpowered.


You were using it wrong, though I suppose that in your opinion the word "counter" has a different meaning.
You still don't seem to understand the actual meaning of a counter btw. Sneaking is a global tactic, not a counter for omatubes.
Seeing as omatubers run with claymores most of the time, sneaking is arguably one of the worse strats to use vs omatubers.


Aside from the fact that proffesional leagues don't aim for a fun in the first place, but creating a balanced version of the game, removing the gimmicky crap.
Aside from the fact that proffesional leagues aren't the same thing as sniper only lobbys.
Aside from the fact that you completely ignored my main question: "Still waiting for you to tell me how to counter mortar tubes btw. Add oma tube spam to that to."

Then yeh, you might have a point.

It's a fact & not an opinion that you're stacking up one fallacy after another in every single post you make.
It's a fact & not an opinion that you completely failed/are failing to understand major parts of people's replys to you.
It's a fact & not an opinion that you're claiming everything to be opinions.

Why are these facts? Because every neutral observer that objectivly percieved all of this would make these very conclusions.


While you're at it, I'd love to know what you consider a fact then, seeing as you're litterally calling out everything to be opinions.
So what did you do in school? From what you say, i'd go something like this. You got a question 1+1= ?, you answered 3. Your teacher says that you're wrong, the answer is 2. You tell him that it's to bad that he disagrees with your opinion, yet in your opinion the answer is 3?

pls dont dodge parts of the post this time btw. While it only adds up to descredit you even more, I'd rather hear an actual reply. You've dug yourself a pretty deep hole alraedy anyhow. Not like it matters anymore how much you make yourself look more like an idiot than you already did.

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Shadow Viper

A "one in a million" incidient/example doesn't prove one's point.


If they know you're location, that means you've been detected, thus you failed to sneak about a remain undetected. As I pointed out in my previous post(which it seems you should reread, often when quickly scanning a post and then immediately hitting the quote button, you'll miss things) if you remain unseen/undetected, you will not give the enemy pro-piper a target to fire at.

Please point out where I claimed it was balanced? My point has been/is that there are ways to counter nearly(if not all) every weapon/tactics in the game. I have offered a few that I attempt to employ when facing pro-pipers. But you have to be willing to try, coming to an internet forum and whining about a specfic weapon/tactic that you're having a problem with will not make you a better player, all you're doing is wasting your time needlessly.

Have you ever considered your success is related to being rather skilled in the use of that weapon/tactic, rather than that weapon/tactic being "retardedly overpowered"?


I'm sorry if you got hung up on one word, allow me to repharse. Sneaking about is one way that you can avoid being killed by a pro-piper. Will it work 100% the time? No, but that is true of every other weapon/tactic in the game. At lot also depends on the situation. If you going charging around corners willy nilly, then yes, you'll likely find yourself getting killed by quite a few claymores.


Just because someone claims something to be "unbalanced" "unfair" "overpowered" etc, doesn't mean it is.

It is easy to claim things as facts, I direct your attention back to my "the sky is green" example.

I understand, you label your own opinions as "facts" and the opinions of others as "fallacies." I get it, I really do.

Or maybe they're just agreeing with someone else's opinion.

Nice try.

A good example of a fact would be "A green anaconda is a carnivore" 1+1=2 is also a great example of a fact, very good!

If you do not want me to "dodge" parts of your posts, I suggest conducting yourself in a more mature manner. While I find your trolling and flamebaiting a bit amusing, do you really expect me to take those parts of your posts(the bolded portion is a great example) seriously?

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pantstofry

I don't want to butt in here too much but that's far from a "one in a million" incident. It happens quite often, at least in my experience. Maybe you've gotten lucky. But it's becoming VERY common.

Vomitcretin

blub212212

QFT
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now i want to use an OMALOL class. =(

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JERALYNx

I hate it when people noobtube, use thermal, and or heartbeat sensors.

I don't have much of a problem with thermal and <3beat sensors anymore because I love using cold-blooded, but I hate dying from repeated noobtubing.
Although, I must admit, I have used them---BUT it was only to get my challenges done lol.

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Shadow Viper

(IMO)There is nothing wrong with using a tool(offered by the game) that helps you more easily win/get kills.

It's called playing to win.

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NinJa

To avoid Thermal, you need Cold-Blooded, but you also need Ninja to avoid showing up on a HBS, lol.

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Shadow Viper

I apologise for replying to the video section of the quote before actually watching the video(I had just assumed it was a video of someone having a bit of luck/bad luck either getting kills or getting killed by randomly fired 40mm grenades).

It is still my opinion that the 40mm grenade launchers are not "unfair" or "overpowered" etc.

However when used while exploiting OMA to get unlimited 40mm grenades, they are. A simple fix to OMA could be to make it so they have to switch to a different class and can not switch back to the same class for a certain time limit. Adding on to this idea, a limit could also be placed on how many classes can have OMA selected as a perk at one time. That would prevent people from making identical classes and just switching between them for unlimited 40mm grenades.

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JERALYNx

Yesh! I knowz, thank goodness for those.
On like all my classes, they all have CBP and NP. <3
And my last perk depends on the map, game type, and gun.

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Orchidoma

ACR takes no skills whats so ever

NinJa

It does however take skill to aim. Plus getting kills with it can be challenging, since in terms of DPS, it's one of the lowest output damage weapon in the game, so you do have to have a few number of brain cells to use it.

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etydorhpamreh

This has been what char and vis have been trying to tell you this whole time you idiot. Have fun using wordy BS to refute this fact.

9INCHNAIL

ok thats enough.

get your handbags out at 20 paces.

And no heartbeat sensors allowed.

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Shadow Viper

Gotta love the trolls.

If you had actually taken the time to read my posts(or understood what you read), you'd know that I was mostly talking about pro-pipes in general, rather than just pro-pipes combined with OMA.

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SteelCurtain 59

I just got killed by somebody using an RPD with silencer and heartbeat, prone camping, most annoying thing I've ever seen, no skill required there

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Olaf Vikingsson

Propipes in general provide a window of zero-retaliation that's unacceptable in FPS. OMA only exacerbates this fundamental problem by opening the window infinitely.

You OBVIOUSLY arguing on faulted premises and ignoring counter-arguments for the purpose of trolling. I'm not stupid.

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chaR

A one in a million example? Do you actually play this game? I stopped playing domination because of this shit.

You don't dedicate your whole game to taking out tubers, which is what you try to tell us to do basicly. Also, you simply cannot remain unseen forever unless you'd only run cold blood+ninja+silencer on every class you use.
Like I said, tubers don't even need to know your location at all. They just spam random tubes around & simply guess where the enemy is.

Then again, you still fail to realize that sneaking around isn't a counter to tubing. It's a general game strategy, that like I said, is actually ineffective against omatubers due to claymore spam.



One of the reasons people come to forums, is to discuss crap like this. If you don't feel like forums should be used for this, good for you, then don't visit them. I'm sure the majority of the people here would be very happy to see you & your flawed logic leave this place immediatly.
If something is countered in a non retarded way, by definition it's balanced. Like people sometimes whine about HBS, yet it's pretty fine, seeing as ninja is a complete counter to it.

You still have yet to give me one example of a direct counter to tubers. A good start would be to say blast shield, yet since this only negates DC, it isn't a full counter. Apparantly you were even to stupid to realize this though, seeing as you havn't listed it at all.

You don't seem to be getting that we're not talking about skill at all.
It's about things like tubes & G18s, giving people an unfair advantage when using them, since they require less skill to use than normal weaponry.


Hence why this isn't a counter & simply a general game strategy. A counter works 100% of the time, like HBS countering ninja, Blast shield countering Danger Close, etc...

Again, you have yet to give a counter for tubing. I'd perhaps throw akimbo G18S in the mix to, though seeing as you're already having trouble with only explaining tubes, lets keep the g18s for lateron.

A counter is something case specific, not a something general.

Classic example of "the whole world is crazy except me." While I'm very well aware that Im blatantly throwing an ad populum here myself, when the odds are this much against you, it isn't exactly a fallacy anymore.

It's a sad thing I have to point out everything litterally before you understand.
"The sky is green" is a fallacy, since all common, objective percieved evidence proves otherwise.

Do tell me why these two examples you just listed aren't examples of agreeing with someone else's opinion according to your flawed logic.

Pretty sure you refusing to tell me a direct counter to mortar tubes isn't because of trolling or flamebaiting. More because you cannot reply & have to hide behind an excuse like that to cover up your sorry ass.


Seeing a later reply of you in the thread, I'd love to know why unlimited tubes would be imbalanced according to your logic? Surely people can mirror them & it would be fine no. It's just an exploit in your opinion.

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Voodoo

game set match

this has gone far enough.

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