chaR

Not sure if this is new info, but it increases the spread:

Full test with the spas:



Even at point blank, a small difference is noticable:


Tested it 3 shots with the AA12 & Striker to:




Note: The effect of ADSing stayed the same with RDS on the spas. I didn't have holo for it yet or RDS/Holo on other shotguns, but this should be plenty of evidence to show that you should NEVER use ADS again with a shotgun incase you ever did.
Note 2: Also quickly tested grip vs no grip on the spas, changed only the visual recoil like said before. Actual spread remained unchanged on both hip & ADS.

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fenny

nice find, HOWEVER a large spread is not always a bad thing specialy with the striker and aa-12 as a large spread with the high ammo shotguns can mean killing pairs or more of enemys without reloading

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chaR

A high spread just means they got more time to kill you before you kill them & is never a good thing, unless you're running into multiple opponents, who are already severly damaged.

An example, exagerated to clearly show the meaning:

Small spread vs 3 opponents: Shot 1 kills Opponent 1, shot 2 kills O2, shot 3 kills O3.
After 1 shot there are 2 possible opponents left, after 2 shots only 1, after 3 they're all dead.

Big spread vs 3 opponents: Shot 1 kills nobody, shot 2 kills nobody, shot 3 kills 3 opponents.
After 1 shot there are 3 possible opponents left, after 2 shots there are 3 possible opponents left, after 3 shots they're all dead.

The TTK in both situations remains the same, while with a bigger spread, the chance you are killed before you can fire your third shot increases exponentially.
You're assuming that a bigger spread would mean more pellets per shot. If that was the case, you'd be right, though it isn't.

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justinLOG

this is great info man... proves my point about the spas grip ... and something i never knew b4... i always thought ADS would help the spread if anything...
Nice find

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calstap

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You didn't say were you using steady aim or not.

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aKa LANCE

I have always found that twitching up the sight before firing makes it more accurate. So not aiming in the whole way but slightly moving the sights up before firing.

You are right here clearly that ADS increases spread, however, because twitching the sights makes the hip fire crosshair smaller but does not have the sight fully up, if I am correct that would make it more accurate. Test it out

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chaR

Steady aim on all screenshots.

That aside, a bigger spread only benefits people who fail at aiming so they might do some damage rather than none. Nevertheless, it still isn't beneficial for anybody who can somewhat aim (aka people who play this game longer than a week).
Getting point blank spas tags isn't exactly amusing (just ask ViS )

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I could actually do a similar image as you did in my benefit, it says nothing really. Give me a min & ill add it.



With SA, he'd die, without it, alot of pellets would miss & he'd still be alive.
Btw, what font is that?

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smithm

Very interesting, I my newb days I would ADS with my M1014 and soon gave it up (ADSing) as to me it seemed there was no difference between it and hip firing.


Now you've gone a shown that it's actually better to hip fire I feel much better.

calstap

Im saying that for very very CQC steady aim is bad. Thats when you might benefit from ADS:ing, rarely tho.

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chaR

Why would you ever use your shotgun in such situations to begin with?

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Vomitcretin

Half the time I'm using the shotgun I don't have time to ADS anyway. Its usually an "oh shit I just turned a corner and there's a dude in my face" kind of moment.

When would you be ADSing? just curious.

chaR

If it was beneficial, you could pre-ads while comming around a corner, like ppl do with other guns.

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GhostHands

Thanks for the images chaR. I quickly learned this when ViS was spectating me in S&D, I ADS'ed with the AA, still killed the guy but he explained about the spread and now I don't. Is it pretty much a sure thing that the Spas is a one shot kill? I was getting destroyed last night by a guy that was one shotting and not from close range. Is it OP'ed?

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Dante

The SPAS is OP, luckily not many people have noticed, on PC at least. It's not always a OHK because i've had tags with it, but it had a tremendous range to "make up for" it's pump action. However the pump rarely hinders you do it reality the extended range just makes it OP.

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GhostHands

That's what I noticed last night, I was getting owned so bad, along with the rest of my team that I quit. This guy was easily 30 feet away, in video game feet I guess , he was using FMJ I believe. It was ridiculous. I think I may give it a try very soon.

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NinJa

I've grown to love the Spas. Due to me being so used to ADS with my other Secondaries, it came natural with the Shotguns. Thanks for the images and information to justify me hip firing more.

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ix_PL3Y_NAKAD_x

lol you would think other way around, but no MW2 go that backwards lol

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BluffDogg

So the ADS increases the shot spread...

Usefull to know for H/C where damage isn't such an issue...

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BuuGh0st

Good thing that if there are four enemies. I can hit them all with ADS. with none, I couldent. and most people die from ADS aswell.

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DAKILLA TM

Thanks for the info!

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oneinchwunda

Would it be possible to compare the two without using steady aim.

As SA only decreases hipfire spread, would that mean that the ADS spread is the same as hip-fire spread without SA?

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chaR

Ill test that tomorrow, didnt think of that yet.

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Nibbles

Interesting stuff. Just tested it myself with the SPAS & Striker (Steady Aim). Unfortunately I cannot get screen grabs but over about 50 shots with both in ADS and Hip fire, I didnt see any consistent spread increase from firing ADS at several different distances. Maybe Im doing it wrong (or maybe its different on PS3?) but, Hip or ADS, the results were as unpredictable as each other in terms of spread.

I also tested with a 2nd player as a target in split screen and the amount of damage taken from both hip or ads were both equally predictable as each other.

Anyway another PS3 user can check with Pics? I cant see any reasons why PS3 results would differ from PC tests but they seem to.

However, it is definitely proof that ADS doesn't increase accuracy which is the most useful thing to know.

Niall8er

nice find.

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blockhead381

I dont ADS anyway. I usually have my shotgun on my run n gun sniper set and flagging set. But I do use steady aim, maybe ill test it and take it off, see if it gives me more group kills or kills faster.

Thanks for the tip.

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