Lamberticus

I shot someone from one office building to the other in Highrise with a UMP...pretty good range I'd say..

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BigWings

They aren't 'counter' my style of play at all. I always have a speed class handy, I would say 99% of users have a speed class. But most of them use the UMP because its overpowered.

Seriously set up 2 classes, both Lightweight, Marathon, Commando/Ninja/Steady Aim (3rd perk doesn't matter)...and as a Primary weapon use a UMP silenced, and a Vector Silenced or MP5K silenced. Play 4 or 5 matches with both classes and take of note of your scores, you'll see a BIG difference I guarantee it!
I tried it yesterday...with the MP5K I went for a combined 58 kills / 34 deaths.
With the UMP.45 I went 109 kills / 3 deaths!!

xDoMx J0KER

Yeah, they nerfed them a little too much. I used to use them with my sniper class as they were rather good. Now I use Spas-12.

Just so you know, a shotgun really messes up people running at you.

I definatly call bullshit on this unless you were playing against the biggest group of retards out there.

Thats an average of 36-1 while using the UMP, The best I have ever done with a speed UMP class was I think 25-5 and that was only once or twice.

I am no scrub, so you average that kind of kill/death ratio leads me to think you are exaggerating just a little bit.

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BigWings

I know it does, but the UMP is effective at longer ranges than shotguns.


You can call bullshit all you want, it happened! I'm not saying it will happen all the time, but it did when I tried both guns for 4 levels each.

I don't know where you learnt to calculate averages, but 36-1 over 4 levels would lead to a final score of 144-4... not 109-3 which leads to an average of 27.25 - 0.75. Which is only slightly better than your 'best' with the UMP.45.

My kill/death ratio isn't spectacular but it it's quite good at 2.21.

xDoMx J0KER

With the UMP .45, you were 109-3

Which is 36.33/1

I dont know where you learnt to calculate averages either.

Also, mine is 1.25, I know that is low but its rather deceiving as I only began to get really good at the game around 18k kills, I now have around 32k. Which means I have to go 320-0-0 for the percentage to move up 0.01

I admittingly was horrible when I first started as most players had a month or so of experience before I got to play.

That resulted in me doing rather poorly for the first while (where a 15-0-10 match was a good one for me and 10-0-10 was rare. It was more 7-0-15.)

Anyways, last night I think I collectively went about 1000-700 (estimate) as I was doing very good at times, even posted two or three 30+ flawless matches.

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BigWings

I went 109-3 over FOUR LEVELS lol. Trust me, 36.33/1 is wrong mate.

I wouldn't pay attention to A-K-D-R, there are guys on my friends list with similar ratios to yours, it's not a proper reflection on their skills. One guy has AKDR of 1.38 but has 50 nukes...

kll131

either troll or retard. Problem mw2f?

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BigWings

what are you on about?

L4ntastic

Yes, the UMP is the best SMG. It has the best range/damage/recoil, and with all the ARs running around that's probably the best to have. That's not to say that could couldn't do just as good with the P90s or MP5k is you were just better at using them. I'm only saying that because I assume you use the UMP (like everyone else) a lot more than the others. It's the best SMG, but SMGs pretty much suck, so that's not saying much. The UMP is good, but it's outclassed by ARs at medium range (short range even, if the have SP), and other SMGs are better close range because they have a higher ROF. It's just not BAD at medium or short range, which is what makes it so versatile.

I think it's that fact that its often put on a mobile, offensive class that really pisses people off. A M/L/C guy is probably going to have a lot of kills, and annoying kills at that. It's a good gun, but there are SO many good guns in the game, and the UMP isn't any more overpowered than they are.

smithm

@ big wings, you're just used to the ump. At close range it is beaten comprehensively by both the vector and Mp5k and at long range it is only slightly better off than the vector.

UMP TTK : 0.285
MP5K Close 0.21 Long 0.35
Vector Close 0.24 Long 0.3

(stats from denkirson)

BigWings

The SMG I use most is the MP5K, and trust me it has nothing on the UMP.

L4ntastic

Well they had to make at least one SMG good right?

OzCueball

I don't wanna sound like a smart ass but instead of complain about OP weapons work on your own reaction time. Doesn't matter what gun they have if you don't give them a chance to use it.

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Alphabuster187

That's your fault for not using a better weapon.

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BigWings

Well done Sherlock! I use the MP5K because I refuse to be like every other noob who plays this game, and spamms the shit out of UMP.

Alphabuster187

The UMP is used because of it's versatility... it isn't noob, it isn't OP. If you get Pwned by UMP users then that doesn't say much about your play style.

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Call Me Vanilla

I get lots of kills with all the guns maybe they should nerf ME in the next patch? Actually now that i think about it all the guns in the game kill people this game would be better without guns their to dangerous, even throwing knives are kinda sharp and they kill 1 hit WTF thats OP nerf them, also nerf blast shield wtf i cant kill someone with a OMALOL GG this game is unbalanced.

(sarcasm btw ^)

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OzCueball

LMAO!! Maybe they should tape off corners on desks and take out windows. Take out the explosive barrels and fire hydrants for safety reasons. Put mattresses at the bottom of every drop off and magic carpets to bring you back up.

No guns, knives, explosives or unsafe objects? Check. K, now we can do what the game was meant for, sit around a camp fire, holding hands singing Cumbaya!

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Call Me Vanilla

lol ive gotten killed before from stuff on the wall that blows up like those pipes and electric wires and stuff those things are OP, and for some reason those mattresses at the bottom of the cliff on afghan i can never land on them i just suicide haha.

(this post made me lol irl btw )

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BigWings

Whats funny is they guys defending this gun are the bitches who spam the shit out of it.

xDoMx J0KER

One word for anyone bitching about anything going on in this game.

Adapt.

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Call Me Vanilla

Everyone spams the shit out of some gun, im sure you use something that i think is OP, and if you think that any gun makes someone good then thats just ignorant. You get killed by an SMG and come here for a shoulder to cry on thats fine but dont hate the player.

Its a clear pattern that people like you just want whatever kills them to be nerfed but sorry just because a gun is good doesn't mean it should be nerfed. Maybe the only gun in the game should be the f2000 that way nobody could complain.

Just use the search function on this forum and type in your favorite gun theres a thread on all the ones that are commonly used saying their OP. Really what you need to do is just get better instead of blaming everything on the OPness of 1 gun.

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OzCueball

Um . . . i disagree. I don't spam shit. I play the way the game is meant to be played and i still have fun while doing so. If you're not, then you need to find a different game cause thats the whole point of video games. FUN!

^^^^ THIS!!!

Sure i get pissed when a dropshooter or quickscope artist takes me out in a flash but instead of letting it ruin my day, i (like JOKER said) adapt. I decide it's in my best interest next time to not stick my damn head out. I also look for the bastards to be in the same place they were, or in a place that I've been and gotten kills.

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L4ntastic

I don't spam the shit out of the UMP. I don't use it very often, and I don't think it's overpowered.

Olaf Vikingsson

You are all such fucking noobs.

The UMP DOES need a nerf. The specific nerf that it needs is increase recoil after the second shot when the button is held. This forces players to have to tap in order to get long-ranged kills instead of being able to kill things full-auto in three shots at infinite range.

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