Nietzsche's Son

It's worse than Halo's melee. I'll be shooting a guy several metres away and then he will just fly at me with a knife. Doesn't make any sense.

Don't Eat The Fish

Commando.

This Probably should be in Game Reports BTW.

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Nietzsche's Son

No, just a standard knife. I'm not talking about Commando obviously.

Platy

Actually, I've noticed this. I thought I got commando'd but the guy was using a different perk.

Naga

The horrid lag this game is so infamous for?

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Nietzsche's Son

That was my guess for a lot of them but even on a full green bar UK host I'll still get these flying knife kills.

A lot of people don't even bother to shoot when they get within a few metres they just hit melee.

Naga

If you're on console, a full green bar is anywhere up to 100ms ping. Not -awful-, but really not good.

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Don't Eat The Fish

You still lunge some without Commando, but Commando makes you able to lunge across the map, bullets flying through you the whole time.

inb4KNIFEISOP'D (which it is... bring a knife to a gun battle and you'll assrape the opposition. doesn't seem right)

And lag does affect the lunge... as well as bullets curving around corners... especially if the knifer is the host.

To answer your original question... I agree. I <3 halo's melee system though... 2 hits FTW, all melee should be like the riot shield (2 hits to kill) because a knife should be a last resort, not a reflex

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NinJa

Everything in this game is ridiculous. In COD4, you ran out with your primary, got into a good position and did you thing, sniping, camping, running around with a sub-machine gun, even in close range you knew damn well to hipfire instead of trying to knife them. I believe it in COD4 it was just a slash, or a stab.

Its funny, yet sad that when the game starts, you see half of your teammates immediately drop their primaries and do a Forrest Gump run with dual shotguns, or a tactical knife setup.

YouTube - Modern Warfare 2: Furthest Commando Lunge EVER!!

This too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w50pL1OdJZs

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I see what you mean, the knife is already retarded enough W/O Commando or lag intervention, I have been knifed from fair distances many times, and after watching the killcam I was surprised they weren't using Commando.

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I dunno i find commando equally effective as shooting. It's pretty much 50/50 on who wins. Either you got the first shot off and connect or they got to you before you hit them with enough damage. The only thing i could think to balance it out would be to make everyone bleed out or go into last stand and not be able to regenerate life. But that would be PURE CRAP spending half your time playing on the ground cuz u got ur leg shot when u ran around a corner.

L4ntastic

I hate commando more than anything in the game. But I won't reiterate what others just said.

As far as just normal knifing goes, I've noticed how it kind of lunges sometimes too. I've done it myself, and it's happened to me. Normal melee has a 'unit lock' distance of 128 units. Commando adds 176 units. This is according to DenKirson, and I don't know exactly what 'unit lock' means, but it's probably comparable to melee range. So commando more than doubles melee range, but melee has some range itself, without melee.

walrus

It's a video game. It's not supposed to be realistic, so stop complaining.

Platy

I'd agree with you if it were set in space and we were shooting aliens. However, the game is based on real life (guns, humans, gravity, aspects of war), needs to be more realistic than it is in some aspects, obviously not at the cost of total imbalance.

BTW; telling people to stop complaining, more annoying than the people complaining.

Call Me Vanilla

How do people get in knife range of you people, if people are running around with commando their loud as shit just turn up your volume problem solved? I hardly find the commando knifing to be a problem which would lead me to think that your not doing something that you could be doing.

If you remember the knife system in cod4 was so broken it was shit, i trained myself out of the habbit of knifing EVER because it was so bad. Hip firing with whatever gun you had would beat a knife 90% of the time, on the first day of playing mw2 my exact thought was thank god they fixed the knifing. Commando is a bit much but by no means something so broken its worthy of crying over.

side note, another commando QQ thread? really?

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Platy

You've completely misread the thread. He was talking about how bad the lunging is without Commando.

And the knifing system in CoD4 is pretty much how it should be, unless you're right on top of the guy a knife shouldn't beat a gun. It's a case of them trying to fix something which wasn't really broken and making it worse, like a lot of the game.

pantstofry

To be short & sweet, not everybody has a headset. Yeah, maybe they should get one if they're serious about winning blah blah but for me personally it isn't high on the priorities list.

Call Me Vanilla

I dont know what cod4 you were playing but with everyone i played with it was pretty high up on the things that needed to be fixed it misses 50% of the time when it shouldn't.

Also I assumed he was talking commando since the lunge without commando is not all that ridiculous, granted there are those special cases but hardly anything thats game breaking, and worthy of "Fixing" when there are so many things that are ACTUALLY a problem not just some tedious thing that kills you 1/50 times. Like OMALOL or something...

@pants: you dont need a headset just turn up your TV and you can hear people a mile away the headset just helps with exact locations from the surround sound i didn't get a headset till like 6th prestige then i just sprung the 60 bucks for some basic X1's even before the headset it wasn't a problem. Just focus if you hear footsteps back away from doorways and corners.

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Alphabuster187

I have no problem with the melee, Commando in this game... if they can get you, you can get them too.

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pantstofry

No, you can't. Try unloading an MP5K with RF clip into a guy while he's in a commando lunge... thats like at least 10-20 bullets in the guy and i don't even get a hitmarker

L4ntastic

Knifing is equal opportunity as long as both have/don't have commando. In that aspect it's fair. The concept of being able to knife through a spray of bullets is stupid. That's what really sucks.

Platy

So, you wanted a knifing system that was a 100% success rate, when knifing should be a last resort and shouldn't be a guaranteed kill.

As I said before, and as you'll disagree with again as that's what you do, the knifing on CoD4 was good. Knifing should be a last resort, it shouldn't be a reaction lunge like it is on MW2, it should be a slash when you've got nothing else to do. Bullets (from any gun not just shotguns) should always defeat a gun in a head on battle, which doesn't happen in MW2 as the lunge gives the player an immunity to bullets.

Sure its a small issue, but all these small issues in the game add up to create this big ball of fail that is MW2.

Alphabuster187

If they are that close, try to knife them as well, that's what I meant.

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pantstofry

it aint easy to do if they have M/L... also, if you have a sniper or lmg it isn't quick, tactical layout makes it tough... so

L4ntastic

Also leaves you vulnerable if you fuck up.