Taggerung

Hey all. New to the forum. I play pc under taggerung I play alot of FFA and ctf. Anyways let's start the thread. Has anyone else noticed that in some ways you unlock the crappy guns towards 70. I prime example would be the f200. Not the best AR by any means. Yet another is the m21 erb still bested by the other sniper rifles. Machine pistols. The tmp is alright but the raffica and most of the other machine pistols over shadow it. Now before I go stepping on all the toes of folks who use these underdogs I'm just making a point. I think they did this to develop a balance in the game. The newer players get a chance to own some face with the better weapons towards the middle levels and the more experienced player get the challenge of dicking around with the "statistically" worse guns. Are you guys of like opinon?

NinJa

One reason to say is that they give you some high power weapons in the beginning of the leveling system to keep you interested in playing. Right off the bat they give you a FAMAS (deadly when in the right hands), and the pocket assault rifle known as the UMP.

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Taggerung

I think you're dead on ninja about keeping it interesting. Here lately I've been giving the famas a try and I like it pretty good. After using the m16 for so long it's easy to get used too. And I went 26-1 yesterday with the ump pretty happy with that lol

L4ntastic

Well the UMP makes it easy.

You start off with some of the best guns. You just don't have the perks. Once you're in the 30s you have almost everything you need, just not the selection. By about level 45 you're completely settled in. All you're really missing is the AK and the RPG.

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Taggerung

True the ump does make it easy. Shame I didn't discover it till like the 30s. I'm not a big fan of the AK it just recoils in a really weird way that I can't get used to. I'll give it another try once I hit 70 tho. Mini Uzi is another underatd gun that idk why but I just do really well with. Bling it with silncer and fmj. Longer ranges I hav to remind myself to to burst lol

L4ntastic

The AK is like a combo of the TAR-21 and the SCAR, only with worse iron sights (opinion). They all do the same damage, but the TAR shoots the fastest with the most recoil, and the SCAR shoots the slowest with the most manageable recoil. The AK is kinda in the middle. It's sights are mounted right on the barrel, lower than the TAR's or the SCAR's. So when the gun kicks, the barrel and muzzle flash kinda block your sight. It doesn't kick that much, but it's pretty obtrusive. It's a good gun, but I only use it for the novelty. TAR is better (the best) in my opinion.

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MangoMonkey

I agree entirely with everything you wrote.

Except this. Oh god, except this. This is the craziest gun in the game. You don't even need to aim! Point in general direction and keep clicking until something dies, it's insane. The recoil is almost non-existent.

L4ntastic

As far as sniper rifles go, it's just 'okay'. Depending upon how you look at it. It's forgiving, but lacks one hit power. Great for spraying! Like you said.

It's annoying to die to. You see like 4 sniper bullets whizz by before getting hit then dieing immediately after. Watch him spray bullets in your general direction in the killcam.

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MangoMonkey

Huh? It has the exact same damage profile as the WA2000, with about a third of the spread and a larger clip. It's sway is about half as well. So a perfectly serviceable Sniper with chest and head one shot kill, with a sway so low you don't even need to hold your breath to use it and the ability to empty about 8 rounds into a target without needing to do anything other than click. Someone tell me how this is balanced?

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Check out sniper rifles there. It has the same base damage as the WA2000...and the Intervention and the Barrett .50 cal. But it's chest multiplier is only 1.1. The WA2000s is 1.5, so there's you difference. It needs stopping power for a one hit kill to the chest, the others don't.

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Taggerung

I hate dieng by a run and gun quick scoping intervention user more than a semi auto spammer. Something about the player not even aiming but relying on a small glitch pisses me off. It's not as prevelent on pc but still. I'd consider the wa2k better than the m21 other than the god awful amount of screen space it takes up. I usually run a silencer on the m21 bc I know it'll take 2 shots anyways. I find myself alot more effect with a quick double tap rather than spamming.

oneinchwunda

Talk about late to the party.

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Taggerung

Lol fashionably late

oneinchwunda

2 and a half years is pushing it.

You ever wonder why, in COD4, you started with the AK47, M16, MP5, and M40A3?

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Taggerung

I never played cod4 online. Usuaully just in a friends barracks room while at work. It was just like a year ago I got a laptop worthy of gaming. I was busy with far cry 2 and the old novalogic series when mw2 released. Mostly didn't play onlne till a couple months ago bc of a worthless net connecion. But I'm here now

L4ntastic

It would suck dick if you were stuck with like the F2000 and all the shitty guns until like level 30.

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MangoMonkey

Indeed. But since anyone sniping with half a brain will be using Stopping power, or else doing something wrong, and then the actual profile is identical, it's insane.

Look, I didn't like dishing out this crap without checking, so I just played through some with it for the first time. I stuck Extended Mags on it (I know. First time use with extended mags, it's a long story), and it was ridiculous. I'm a reasonable player, nothing special, and just went 36 for 6 on Afghan. All the games were like that. It's very, very good. Too good. Too add to it's OPness, it looks utterly amazing with red tiger camo

Taggerung

Lol well it wouldn't be so bad. I played from like 20-30 using the usp and chucking knives. Was alot of fun. I raged alot less bc I knew it was a risky combo. But just had fun with it. One benefit I guess is I'm pretty good at throwing knives now lmao

OoCandymanoO

A good player will own with any gun..... It's personal pref at the end of the day.

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Don't Eat The Fish

I LOL'd when I used the Deagle and the F2K. These are your Level 60 rewards? They're good unconventional guns though, and if you're good at controlling recoil they can be deadly, so I can kinda see why...

You also start with the MP5K. CQC beast. Same with the SPAS, and the TAR is unlocked insanely early for how good it is.

I think the only thing that you start with that's useless is the AT4.

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Dante

It's for fairness and keeping new players competitive. Think about it, if players who had reached the top levels had both experience and guns which earlier players didn't have then lower level players would never get kills. It was exactly the same in CoD4, you got the AK-47 at Level 4 and the MP44 was the last unlocked AR.

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Serval

The Desert Eagle is only bad when you use the ironsights, which makes a single one... singularly useless, but akimbo they are reasonable.

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Naga

The crappy guns are the fun guns...

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L4ntastic

You are right. The only 'advantage' of the WA2000 over the M21 is that it doesn't require stopping power. In fact, in terms of shots to kill, stopping power has no effect on the WA2000. An odd gun in that aspect. It has pretty low recoil as well. But it's like running around with a plywood sheet.

I don't see/use the M21 enough to have a strong opinion about it. It's noob friendly though. It's actually a battle rifle, like the FAL, which just means it's powerful and meant for long range.

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Justindude006

lol imagine a low level using a f2000 with its recoil against a person with a AK