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i used to be purely a computer gamer ( ive switched to console becuse of lack of money and its easier to have friends over to play)
i can see why they did this but in all honesty think its stupid. when i buy games on comp its so i can find a dedicated server that is modded or always has friends and their friends playing it. |
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This is one of the pros of the IWNET system, the integrated friends list allows you to join friends more easily even if they aren't playing on their usual server(s).
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EDIT: LOL. forum limits posts to 10,000 words so I HAVE to double post.
Pittski, have fun rebutting my points with valid counter arguments if you are so right. And fyi I would be happy to argue with you. Ok, here goes... my famous red text... Quote:
And we still don't know: why? what was wrong with dedicated server setup? (seriously though, NOT ONE of the hundreds of thousands of posts on C4F, and I dare to say C4B, has there been someone saying "Hmm. I know. Lets ditch the whole dedicated server idea and have a console game, but on an expensive PC?") how it will perform (lag, no. of players etc) whether we will be able to have mods whether we are now doomed to official-only-DLC amongst other things
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This is not to start a argument between the two sites. that started a long time ago when we found out who is really running the site. anyways... I can't quote your quote within a quote because it exceeds the word limit. But I can add, It is a Exactly the same as Battle net. You can still make maps and mods. Just each person who joins the room would have to dl it exactly like you would in a dedicated server, also lets be honest Majority of the players in any fps game do not browse through a server list, they join their clan server and other clan servers that play with your clan or learn from some gaming site, and add it all to xfire. PB and VAC are all the same. They both can be hacked, all the servers that had PB on them also ran third party services on them too like PUNKSBusted which picks up the other 20% of the 75% pb picks up. leaving that same gap. Vac can be Live updated ( I mean like a HOT FIX, NOT XBOX LIVE!) unlike PB which has to be ran and tested through Punkbuster before they decide to update the game's PB. Also if you played CoD2 their were major Ping issues, soon as someone from west coast played someone on east coast on a dallas server or west coast server, their would be a registry hit box issue for the east coast which made them have to lead way to much to hit someone. Vice versa with West coast players trying to play on Chicago or NY servers. Same Problem was with WaW. So what you can't host your own dedicated servers, doesn't mean the game is going to be any less fun because people won't have the power to feel like they have some right. pff. IW doesn't want people to cheat their way to the benefits of prestige, if they decided not to add prestige or adding bonuses to prestige into the game, i am sure they would have kept the ability to add dedicated servers. Also they want to be able to have people to keep their sources rather close, when they add a new game they can add it to this service, so everyone is in a same chat room or lobby ect.. You don't log into a game and see empty servers. you wont see the servers you will be placed into a chat room. Ensemble Studios did the same thing with AoE3. This hole issue is not that big of a deal, it is not like that game Prey where you just go online and see nothing, they put a lot of thought into what they are doing and keeping the online going one way or another. |
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I'm not saying IWNET will be terrible and the end of CoD MP, because I don't believe that to be true. What I am saying is that from what i've read and heard it would appear that they have removed features from CoD4 which made the game more enjoyable.
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Seriously Pitt though, the C4B vs C4F attitude you're carrying around has to stop. I don't even understand it because you're not a dedicated member of C4B or C4F. You can argue about whether this is good or not for the PC community all day, just don't bring on the inter-forum hostility.
However abc, I don't really like the comment about playing the game on consoles as 'mindless gaming'. Whether you meant it or not, that is a direct insult and isn't cool at all. Just because I don't have thousands of dollars to buy the latest and greatest PC equipment to get the game to run at decent standards doesn't mean we're 'mindless'. |
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hopefully 4 2 zero will play along with the other devs and see how bad it is no matter what you'll still be connecting to someones pc and not dedi's so lag lag lag.sorry if this post is slow it lagged.
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I.e. for those who like precision, lots of scope for customising options, tweaking the game and generally being a bit picky about everything the PC is supererior. But for those who just want to play the damn game at a fraction of the price - console is for you hands down. So, by using the term "mindless gaming" I was reffering to the fact that you just hit a few buttons and bam all the choosing & matchmaking etc is all done for you and you and in a game. Whilst me on the other hand is looking through a list deciding whether to play crossfire with an amazing ping but possibly a bit over crowded with 20 a side, or whether to go for a lesser favourite map with a slightly worse ping but likely to be less hectic and more relaxing... I need to be more precise and explain EVERYTHING fully from now on.
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Dante, thanks for posting this. I'm glad to be more informed. One thing that irks me is if IW is in fact providing us with a "feature-rich" PC version, why not tell us sooner so we can get amped and support it? Instead of dropping the "no dedi servers" bombshell, engage the PC community and let us know what's in store.
I have the same mindset as abc, I like browsing through server lists, playing by different server rules, etc. And once again, still waiting on minimum specs for the game... |
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Also, I regularly choose to play with and against players from the US (I am in Australia) and it is great. However, I do this by ensuring the ping is OK. I will no longer be able to do this. Finally <rant almost over> I really wish those of you in the US would check out the globe - there is a massive world outside of your boundaries, and many of the comments from West, 402, and some others in this forum seem to ignore the impact that this system will have on we 'non-States' based players. BTW - should have seen the 'Screw-the-PC Players' coming as the PC version was not released as a 'Hardened Edition'! <rant over> |
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why did iw have to go and "fix" something that was not broken? i,originally, had decided to purchase waw2 despite the bungling by iw,but now i am having after thoughts. this may be it for me,i may be done;nothing good seems to last!
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Prior to this announcement what "bungling" had there been?
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I think "waw2" was a bungle?
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I suppose some might consider it that, but it wasn't "bungling by iw".
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I notice Amazon have removed & re-advertised MW2 for PC...
thus getting rid off HUNDREDS of 1 star reviews in the proccess. How convinient.
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Personally as much as i was looking forward to this game having made my pre order about 6 months ago i have now cancelled it and i will read with interest any and all reviews of IWnet over the next few months before parting with my money so please PC players be honest about it I like to play with friends 4000mls away which i can see being almost impossible without dedicated servers so please let me know if it will work playing league matches with players 4000mls away If i,am honest i,am still hoping IWnet fails for the PC and they introduce dedicated server support as it looks like an awsome game
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I have looked at many of your guys reply, I really like dedicated servers, because they make me able to play with a guy coming from another country and still both can have under 50 ping, on console where there is no dedicated servers, you will know why they replaced ping with text counter with a graph, because ping at consoles are usually 100-150, unless you was lucky to find a server hosted at your country, when i heard those bad news i was considering getting higher bandwidth, so i still could play with my friends who comes from other countries. But that's not fair that we 'need' to buy higher bandwidth, because they think matchmaking is so much better. Its because IW guys are some noobs at PC, they gets owned really hard, and never tried to learn to play. Matchmaking with dedicated servers could be able for people like them, people there just got into PC gaming, then when they get better they can go to the real playing style.
Just give us ability to have both if you so much want matchmaking.. I mean IW don't you see all the people there doesn't like this? And that's only the people there knows about it, millions of people when they get their game will get angry when they got high ping and there is no dedicated servers, only some guy with a bad PC with lag spikes and low bandwidth. I'm gonna buy GTX 260, and overclocking it to the max. Then i will get double the bandwidth I have now and I will be the hoster, just to give the others atleast some good ping. But again, the hoster still got an unfair advantage, 0 ping. Some guys with 150 ping vs. some guy with 0 ping, they have same skill and they spot each other at the same time, but the 0 ping won. Didn't thought about that IW? And I find it lame with all the rumors going on now, saying that IW are working at adding dedicated servers later on PC with a patch, that's surely just some IW guys wanting to get people to buy their game, I hate that. Because we know that it will not happen. But someone thinks its real, gets the game, playing it a little, waiting for the patch, first patch comes out, he notice its just some map pack that he are gonna PAY for. They make it on steam to get more money, they make no dedicated servers to get more money, so there will not be cracked servers. I supported IW, they have done a good job with COD4 and a very insanely good job with MW2, but they just took one thing we PC gamers like very much, LAN events, dedicated servers and most of all NO LAG, I myself got a Xbox 360, i hate not having 30-40 ping, its minimum 70-80, mostly 90-110. I'm about to sell my Xbox 360, since games where its best to use controller, i just put a controller into my PC. I tried everything loads of times, I'm not a casual gamer, I tried playing COD4 on Xbox 360, I can't play it, because when i turn my head over and look at my PC, I shutdown my Xbox 360, because playing on my PC is much more fun & good. Last edited by Cromatox; 10-30-2009 at 10:06 AM. |
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Hi Cromatox
Just a few points Iw has not stated they will add dedicated servers that is just wishfull thinking by us PC gamers I understand your points about the matchmaking for the console players this is the norm for us pc guys its a massive step backwards Yes there are alot of PC players that may not know about IWNET and no dedicated servers these will mostly be very casual players and even they will be very disappointed when they try to play and find they have been thrown into a room full of people they dont know but most will get over that as they just want to play and have probably never been in a clan or known anything about dedicated servers or the benifits they provide. Its going to be wonderfull when the host is migrated to another player a whole new concept for the PC lads and that will wear very thin very quickly but this is a improvement for the console player The LAN side will also affect a lot of players my own clan has a couple of LAN parties a year in the USA and players travel over there from all over the world to attend these normally about 40 from a clan of 70 attend this wont be happening with MW2 thats why we have boycotted the game and cancelled all pre orders Buying a better GFX card will not double your bandwidth, Being the host will depend on so many other things IE Your upload and download speeds Your system specs Your skill level How local you are to the other players that want to play The move to Steam is purely a money move so everyone has to pay for DLC The move away from punkbuster to VAC while niether is any better than the other VAC is so easy to get around its a joke just look on any counter strike server LAG free gaming is now a thing of the past as far as MW2 is concerned unless your the host However this is all they have on the table at the moment only time will tell how this game plays on the PC and while i welcome the improvements they have made for the console players I,am shocked saddened and angry that they have degraded the system the PC has used for so many years without any problems
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