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aKa LANCE · 10-10-2010, 02:04 PM

Accuracy combined with W:L ratio is hand down the best way of judging skill. Accuracy is a much better judgement than KDR because no matter how much you camp, if you can't shoot straight then you are fundamentally a bad player. W:L is the best determining factor of an overall good player IMO, as in most objective game modes you won't win unless you have both the ability to get kills and seek the objective as a team player.

To be honest though, as everyone has already said, there is no good way of determining if someone is a good player unless you spectate them for dozens of games in a row, probably across several days.

Olaf Vikingsson · 10-10-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spender

ViS - incredibly unintelligent? Really? How so? Pointing out an obsession that many have with Prestiging when it does not actually mean much in terms of quality of achievement? You might have to explain that one.

You've just done the equivalent of attempting to draw serious debate over the second law of thermodynamics in the year 2010.

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Originally Posted by Cloud

Lmfao

OP: Stats wont indicate how good someone is.

Yeah, Chris! You show those government peoples how non-conformist you are! Way to go!

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Originally Posted by abc

the only way you'd arrive at one semi accurate number would be summing various factors, each of which are weighted appropriately. You then plug in data to your equation and each player gets a "score." Needless to say the hard bit is deciding how to weight each element of the equation.

Congratulations on srs posting in a thread that's been wordlessly agreed upon by all to be unworthy of anything even remotely-constructive. If you'd like an in-depth tutorial on how to troll, please consult Fenny.

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Originally Posted by aKa LANCE

Accuracy combined with W:L ratio is hand down the best way of judging skill. Accuracy is a much better judgement than KDR because no matter how much you camp, if you can't shoot straight then you are fundamentally a bad player. W:L is the best determining factor of an overall good player IMO, as in most objective game modes you won't win unless you have both the ability to get kills and seek the objective as a team player.

To be honest though, as everyone has already said, there is no good way of determining if someone is a good player unless you spectate them for dozens of games in a row, probably across several days.

It boggles the mind, how someone otherwise-intelligent can repeatedly make the mistake of assuming that all the tools required to come to a conclusion are available and acting upon that assumption with utmost conviction. Your model is faulty simply because it doesn't actually measure skill; it only measure's a player's ability to jump through hoops. In the end, the only way to gain an idea of skill in the form of a SINGLE statistic would be to use ELO or similar. It's just impossible to do with the stats that CoD games currently track.

JesterSevens · 10-10-2010, 06:15 PM

Congratulations on srs posting in a thread that's been wordlessly agreed upon by all to be unworthy of anything even remotely-constructive. If you'd like an in-depth tutorial on how to troll, please consult Fenny.
It boggles the mind, how someone otherwise-intelligent can repeatedly make the mistake of assuming that all the tools required to come to a conclusion are available and acting upon that assumption with utmost conviction. Your model is faulty simply because it doesn't actually measure skill; it only measure's a player's ability to jump through hoops. In the end, the only way to gain an idea of skill in the form of a SINGLE statistic would be to use ELO or similar. It's just impossible to do with the stats that CoD games currently track.

Seemed like a srs posting as well. It Also seemed a little constructive.

Fenny I'd love some tips on trolling, is it free?

spender · 10-10-2010, 06:23 PM

Cheers ViS

"In the end, the only way to gain an idea of skill in the form of a SINGLE statistic would be to use ELO or similar. It's just impossible to do with the stats that CoD games currently track." - is actually your (an) answer to the question, so kudos for stepping up.

I missed in the Forum Rules where only certain things like "Hey guys, which gun is best then?" was considered to be acceptable debate, whereas discussing the scoring/ranking system in what amounts to a competitive pursuit (for some) does not meet your exacting standards as a topic worthy of discussion.

It does leave me glad you weren't around when some bright spark decided the world might not be flat though! A quick "Thats an unintelligent thing to say" and that would be the end of that!

Clock · 10-10-2010, 06:23 PM

Misses, they're about as good a stat to base on as all the rest.

Platy · 10-10-2010, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spender

I missed in the Forum Rules where only certain things like "Hey guys, which gun is best then?" was considered to be acceptable debate, whereas discussing the scoring/ranking system in what amounts to a competitive pursuit (for some) does not meet your exacting standards as a topic worthy of discussion.

Where you did wrong was think that that thread was a debate.

pieboi66 · 10-10-2010, 07:24 PM

the number of time you yell, "FUCK YEAH!" in one game, usually determines how good you are...

Olaf Vikingsson · 10-11-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by spender

It does leave me glad you weren't around when some bright spark decided the world might not be flat though! A quick "Thats an unintelligent thing to say" and that would be the end of that!

Are you seriously accusing me of being unscientific when I was the one who had the good will to inform you of just how painstakingly obvious the answer to your question was when almost every other post in this thread was a troll post for just that reason? Attempting to maintain your image in a thread which has already been demolished isn't how things work.

Makes me glad that you weren't around when the second law of thermodynamics was established.

"But what if?"

Cloud · 10-11-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by spender

It does leave me glad you weren't around when some bright spark decided the world might not be flat though! A quick "Thats an unintelligent thing to say" and that would be the end of that!

~~No one has ever thought that, it was a misconception~~

Actually pieboi I would say the lower the number of times you would say it the better you are, since you would be so good you would be so used to being good that you wouldn't be surprised about it you'd be like meh I do this every game :P

spender · 10-11-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ViS

Are you seriously accusing me of being unscientific when I was the one who had the good will to inform you of just how painstakingly obvious the answer to your question was when almost every other post in this thread was a troll post

No I didn't (accuse you of being unscientific)
No you didn't (show "good will" by saying the OP was incredibly unintelligent, that's not good will where I am from, ie planet earth)

If it was so obvious then why so many different actual answers including your own. (Note no question mark as this is rhetorical as frankly baiting you is getting dull)

Thanks for playing

CampNGun · 10-11-2010, 08:50 PM

You guys make me lol!

Olaf Vikingsson · 10-12-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by spender

No I didn't (accuse you of being unscientific)
No you didn't (show "good will" by saying the OP was incredibly unintelligent, that's not good will where I am from, ie planet earth)

If it was so obvious then why so many different actual answers including your own. (Note no question mark as this is rhetorical as frankly baiting you is getting dull)

Thanks for playing

We may not, apparently, be from the same Earth but I think it's safe to say that in both our worlds, the opinion of the village idiot is just as valid as the opinions of everyone else in the eyes of the general public.

Simply put, lotmuchpeoples are stupid. I'm less stupid. You'll realise that mine and Abc's answers are the correct ones if you'd just stop for a second and think about it.

Don't tell me you want me to spell something so flagrantly simple out for you again. You don't strike me as the brightest spark, judging by most of your posts (Maybe you're an amazing troll) so do holler if you need a hand.

Shankapotamus · 10-12-2010, 08:37 PM

In Mw2, numbers mean nothing. Kids of age 10 get huge streaks just because of Pavelow/CG from a carepackage.

Win/loss, well teammates suck in this game, so that's pointless.

Hours played, leave it up all night.

So I see no real good indicator. I see people that will have a great game and get 70-2, then the next game they go 24-13.

10-13-2010, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by spender

Cheers ViS

"In the end, the only way to gain an idea of skill in the form of a SINGLE statistic would be to use ELO or similar. It's just impossible to do with the stats that CoD games currently track." - is actually your (an) answer to the question, so kudos for stepping up.

Mind blown - To know if your good at MW2 you just listen to Enola Gay