chaR

With just one week left before black ops is finally among us, I thought to gather some opinions & give my own final thought on MW2.


I believe everybody had high hopes for this game. It was incredibly hyped up & we were all excited to play the CoD4 succesor.
PC gamers kinda got a slap in the face when the first info leaked on what PC would be missing out on.

That aside, we all still bought the game.

First of all, we can't ignore the singleplayer. I truely loved every level of it, yet it lasted way to short. I completed it in 3hours30mins on my first run. Needless to say I felt terribly dissapointed when I saw the credits roll over my screen. The ending wasn't finished either & from the information that has been drifting around the internet, it seems we'll never know how Soap's story ends.

Ofcourse, nobody plays CoD games for just the singleplayer (well I actually know 1 guy who never touched the MW2 mp for some reason).
The MP part was split up in 2 for MW2. We had a co-op campaign & the actual multiplayer.

There isn't much to be said about the co-op. It was fairly entertaining for a couple of times, but I havn't touched it in half a year now. It's truely a shame that IW didnt include new co-op missions in the DLC. I might've actually considered getting the DLC if that was the case (just like I would've gotten it if it extended the sp).

Then onto the big chunk.
It was hard to not be overnegative when commencing the multiplayer. Knowing what PC players were missing out on, on top of the very short sp, I felt kinda ripped off already.
Though I was pleasantly suprised the first couple of days (weeks). Despite the obvious IWnet issues, the game played really smooth, discovering the entire game was fun.
After a while you started getting used to the game & some deficiencies started popping up though.

1. Akimbo
The first big one would be that people started discovering how retarded akimbo was. At this point we're talking about the Models mostly. Accidental triple kills from halfway across the map with antique shotguns seemed to be perfectly normal. Luckily after a while they got "fixed", after which everybody started getting accidental triple kills with akimbo G18s, which still aren't fix uptil today.

2. Shotgun secondary
Luckily Treyarch realized this & are fixing this in BO. Shotguns as a secondary are completely broken (and just like G18s & other broken akimbo crap still not fixed).

3. Killstreaks
Treyarch is somewhat adressign this by making killstreak rewards only obtainable by personal kills.
Killstreak rewards (KSR) were absurd in this game. It has come to the point where when I play MW2 nowadays, I'm only using a cold blooded ump, simply because I know I'll rage like fuck when some fucked up KSR kills me halfway my streak when I ain't using Cold Blooded.
Unfortunatly, barebones barely even reaches 100 players online & is only availible in TDM & FFA, so I barely ever play that. Which would bring my to my next issue:

4. Spawning system
This game has without doubt one of the most broken spawning systems ever. Even the spawning system in the Team Deathmatch mod for CS 1.6 works better than this game.
I never play TDM, simply because the spawns make me want to gouge my eyeballs out.
On top of that, I believe that whenever someone respawns, it's absurd to have your grenades refilled every time. IW made it seems pre-release of MW2 that they fixed the whole nadespam thing from CoD4. Nothing less is true. They didn't fix it, they just avoided the problem by introducing semtex to the game & capping the player limit much lower (for PC).
When you start playing with frag grenades, you'll notice there are still a shitload of setnade spots on every map (that then were abused in competitive play, but simply not seen in pubs).
5. Recoil, whats that?
Even a monkey (hence why alphabuster loves that gun) can shoot an ACR. I believe this is fixed in BO to luckily.

6. Broken perks
Scavenger refilling claymores, grenades & tubes (tubes will be fixed), OMA being broken for like forever, stopping power being necisarry on 90% of the guns, cold blooded being necisarry if you care about not dieing to fucking air support 24/7, danger close being retarded, hardline being useless, scrambler being pretty much useless, last stand still being stupid (becomming even worse in BO), Ninja being one of the most broken perks ever designed (especially when combined w marathon).
Commando gets his very own sentence, simply because it's the most retarded thing ever. They should rename this perk to Blink & Blink Pro.

7. Deathstreaks
I have no clue what people were thinking when they introduced deathstreaks. You kill a guy, he's retarded enough to rush into you blindly 4 times in a row, after which IW is like: WELL HMM, LETS GIVE HIM A KILL FOR THE EFFORT HEH.
Deathstreaks & mainly painkiller are the most stupid invention ever. Bad play should never be rewarded. Never.

8. Tubes & the riot shield
They will forever be in the CoD series & forever I will hate them. Only they became just this more fucked up in MW2 thanks to OMA, scavenger, etc..

Riot shields have never worked out in any game & I have no clue why they felt the need to add one to CoD.

9. Last but not least, the disaster known as IWnet.
IWnet was terrible. That's all there has to be said about it. Host migrations, host migrations failing, terrible latency in more than half of my games.
When we played "competitive" (for as much as you can call this game competitive at all) with Pubstars, organizing matches would be hell. Host ping advantage, players being unable to connect, etc...



In the end, I have to say though, I really did enjoy playing this game for a while. But the multitude of deficiencies, along with terrible support & a developer that doesn't listen to its community, made this game a flop.
It could've been so much more if IW simply listened to their community or for the PC side of the game, added dedicated servers, so we could fix it ourselves.
I still kinda enjoyed playing it for a while & met many new ppl.

So much for my final thoughts. I tried to stay positive, but I really couldn't (and I probably still forgot some stuff that made me rage in this game). It could've been, but it wasn't. Give me your own final MW2 verdicts.

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Alphabuster187

With all it's deficiencies, to me, it is still the best MP game I have ever played, COD4 comes in second. I'm not really looking forward to Black Ops, I have never liked Treyarch's version of the COD series.

I may just continue playing MW2 until 3 comes out. I may rent Black Ops and give it a try before I waste my money like I did with WAW which I only played about 3 hours worth of MP before I put it away.

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chaR

There will probably be no MW3.

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Alphabuster187

Well, I must have read some wrong information somewhere, or there was going to be and got nixed... until something better than Treyarch's version comes along then.

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Clutch

Hey everyone.. long time no post..

My thoughts:

From a competitive point of view, MW2 was a huge let down. I'm not sure how things played out on the PC side of things, but Xbox was riddled with glitches and mods and MLG actually took MW2 off of the pro circuit.

With CoD4 being such a phenomenal game, I expected big things from MW2. But alas, IW sold out to the casual audience and created a game that wasn't nearly as fun and balanced as CoD4 was.


I'd like to thank the folks here at MW2 forums though (particularly ViS and chaR) for educating me on the game's many nuances and helping me figure out the optimal setup for any given situation.

What will become of these forums? Will there be a "black ops" equivalent? The community here is great, the only reason I stopped playing is because I lost all passion for the game when I realized I could no longer garner pro points for playing it competitively.

Cheers,
-Clutch (aka Perplex)

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chaR

I believe i read here somewhere that these forums will remain the same for BO, no new ones. Though ask a mod.

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Imunality

I have a feeling that BO wont be as badass as most people think. I will probably come back and play alot of mw2 even after BO is released since I can't let this game go. Hopefully T. can for ones make a good Cod game and I will play BO alot the first weeks and continue to do so if BO lives up to my expectations. But if T. creates a habit of making bad cod games I will probably sell my copy of BO asap.

What I hates the most in mw2 is the deathstreaks, hands down. Just removing them would be such an improvement. I can't see how it is hard in any aspect to remove it even though I've only read a couple of programming courses.

1. Akimbo isn't something I find used alot since most people like to hardscope in a corner.

2. I concur

3. ^ same

4. I have no problems at all with the TDM spawns. Probably because I know where the enemy will be at since I've played ~ 15days+ of TDM.

5. Yes, the ACR is in a class of it's own in this game but who doesn't love it? Even if you can deal with recoil having none at all is great. Pin point accuracy is necessary counter-sniping etc.

6. IW didn't think the perk part through at all. Stopping power isn't necessary on the gun itself, but since your opponent does have it you need to be on equal base in orded to get fair kills. There's four perks I don't like in this game: OMA, Scavanger, Danger Close and Commando. They bring nothing but pain to this game.

7. I've ranted enough on that.

8. yepp

9. /facepalm

Even though mw2 holds many flaws, it has a strange attraction beam aimed at my heart, and my heart corresponds.

Yukimaru

I will most likely come back to MW2 every now and then when I want to run retarded class setups that I can't in BO. It is just sad that MW2 could have been better but IW didn't care enough to fix anything.

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Cloud

I think you misunderstand what he means by bad spawns Imunality, being spawn killed multiples times in a row doesn't really have anything to do with knowing where the enemy will be if you can't move without being killed in seconds.

MW2 had so much hype, let down, no where near as good or fun as CoD4 and W@W IMO, had a LOT of fun in CoD4, W@W was some what fun(I didn't even mind the jugg mp40 combo it's not THAT much of a big deal) these games didn't have things like the deficiencies you listed above. I think MW2 had the potential to be as good as CoD4 but they effed up big time. While I still played a fair bit of Mw2(mainly due to friends) it still lacked a great deal compared to CoD4 and W@W and could easily have been greatly improved had they cared about about the community and the game.

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oneinchwunda

It sucked.

/offtoplaycod4

^ Only problem with that is that everyone has been playing for 3 years, where as me, only a few months. I suck, basically.

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Olaf Vikingsson

You're all fucking morons.

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Imunality

Yea I might have. But the really fucked up spawns are in objective gametypes such as demolition. TDM has alot more spawns and I've never spawned twice at the same location to get killed again whilst playing TDM. oh yea forgot about FFA spawns ..

Bobdude15

I agree with 100% of your complaints, but I still love the game, I have no idea why, I probably complain a lot more then you do and I still love it...

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Platy

Could have been so much better.

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pantstofry

I enjoyed it as my first CoD game. It sucks and makes me rage but is fun at the same time. But i think im with alphabuster, im really slow to get games, so i'll see how BO is before i buy it

TheHunter360

I'll keep this short

Campaign- A convoluted plot, been there done that before missions, and cliche plot twists created a painfully disappointing expirence for a COD game's SP. I never revisited the campaign after my first playthrough. I'll admit though the campaign was decent, but no where as good as COD4's or COD2's campaign IMO.

Spec Ops- I actually had quite some fun with Spec Ops. Too bad I was able to 5* all missions with a friend's help in a little more than a week. As chaR said this mode would have heavily benefited from some extra DLC.

Multiplayer- The consoles probably didn't have issues as bad as the PC but there were still quite a few rage worthy problems. I'll admit the first few months of the game were a blast, but eventually the variety of MP waned as months went by as people began to use the same weapons same tactics, and of course killstreaks.


So far BO looks pretty good, but for the moment I'm more interested in the campaign than what they tweaked in the MP.

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Keegs

I never bothered with the Campaign or Spec Ops, so I have nothing to say in that relation.

However, this is my first ever CoD game. I was so excited to get it in July, and had a ball for a few weeks. Then I realised some of the annoyances, such as Commando, OMALOL, and especially IWnet.

By now, i'm wishing they had never made this game. I've come to the point where I've realised the broken parts so greatly outweigh the fun parts. Sure, I still play it, but i've nothing better to do.

Final Thoughts: When BO is out, i'll never look at this again. Ever. I'm counting down the days for BO, so hopefully it doesn't let down...

iMac Girl

Based on my performance I would have to consider myself to be a average player, nowhere near the skill level of some here and those I've been up against. However, I generally enjoyed the game with the exception of the kill streaks. The UAV's and CP weren't too bad but the other air support KS rewards could simply take all the enjoyment out of the matches. For example in a TDM last night I spent most of the game trying to take cover from what seemed to be an endless stream of harrier strikes, chopper gunners and stealth bombers. Yep I might be whining but give me a break it's just not a fun way to have to play.

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Alphabuster187

People will be bitching about Black Ops in no time... can't wait for all the BO negativity to start pouring in.

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Lamberticus

Don't know about you lot, but if BO turns out to be a pile of shit, I'll be anticipating
Brink.

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Platy

Most of that negativity will be twinned with the comment "however, it's not as bad as MW2."

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Yukimaru

It would be pretty hard for the game to be worse than MW2.

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Skuh

Right now it makes me rage. However for 10 months this has given me a great deal of joy so all in all and as hard as it is too say at the minute.......

GREAT GAME<3 LOVED IT

Shankapotamus

My thoughts are almost exactly the same as yours. Even a 10 year old can see what's wrong with this game.

For example, Ninja and Dead Silence should be two different perks. They made ninja even more OP in BO(Dead silence + No fall damage)

The riot shield is fine. It is annoying at times, but if you look at it you will realize it's just another easy kill.

Tubes, I don't even know how to respond to this. They are the gods of mw2: The M203 and GP-25(I believe).

Akimbo is fine as long as it's on handguns(as it is in BO), but on shotties such as the Rangers where you can spam a whole room, it's completely unnecessary.

Secondaries should be handguns only(akimbo optional) or a stinger. A sniper with a spas as a secondary is incredibly OP.

Edit: Throughout all the shit, you find strategies to help you avoid it, and you end up having fun. Overall, I thought it was a good game, but had room for improvement.

Platy

1 - Ninja is overpowered in BO. It's Sitrep Pro + being completely silent. You can combine it with no fall damage from Lightweight Pro though, I guess this is what you meant(?)

2 - Akimbo is on SMG's as well in BO. It'll be OP with the Skorpion, not sure about the others.

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