jamesmsv

I'm a PS3 user, I'm hoping an xboxer can answer this - I was watching a Machinima video by ChrisTrout91 (check him out if you haven't already, he's got a good channel going, a nice take on setups and playstyles). He plays on xbox and seemed to think they'd reduced the range of the Spas since the Resurgance pack came out.
Can anyone else verify this, I haven't heard it anywhere else so not sure where he got that info. If so I think it's a shame, it's a fun weapon and it's range is well-balanced by the relatively slow pump time.

Olaf Vikingsson

lmfao

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jamesmsv

I fail to see your point when it's obvious someone with say the M1014 or AA12 could close the necessary difference in kill range before the Spas finished chambering a new round - so if you miss with the first shot you're not in a strong position.

Besides, there's enough threads already about shotgun comparisons, I'm interested in knowing what the latest Xbox update (if any) has done to the gun, something as a PC player you're not really qualified to answer unless you've done the unthinkable and joined us consoletards.

Olaf Vikingsson

Animation cancelling.

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jamesmsv

Does that actually work with the pump action of a shotgun? I thought it was only the animations of reloading as opposed to chambering a round that were affected by that?
Anyhoo, are no xboxers up at this time of day?

Olaf Vikingsson

Chamber > cancel > fire > chamber > cancel > fire.

Reload and animation cancel immediately after every shot to more-than-double your fire rate.

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jamesmsv

In which case, yes it's overpowered.
However, I would bet that most players either don't know about that or don't bother so it's not really something affecting the game like the model akimbos did.
Come on xbox players, anyone noticed a nerf?

fenny

overpowered in the wrong hands you mean, anybody could get a kill with the 1887 akimbo

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OoCandymanoO

I've noticed no difference at all..

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L4ntastic

Shotgun secondaries are still overpowered, yes.

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mattv2099

I've heard people say the same thing. That the spas was nerfed with the resergence patch.

I've gotten 500 kills with the spas this prestige (prestiged after the patch) and I cannot tell if it was nerfed.

I felt like the harrier was nerfed. But it's extremely hard to prove stuff like this. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't.


Maybe you are on to something. Maybe you are not.

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gca

I was destroying with it like usual yesterday...haven't noticed a difference.

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OzballO

I haven't noticed anything either, although I agree with the harrier statement.

L4ntastic

I don't think anything has been nerfed haha. The spas has always been kinda inconsistent when it comes to one hit kills, and sometimes your harriers just suck.

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Clock

Fail and get an even longer animation in this very difficult-to-master strategy.

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Alphabuster187

It's not very easy to do on a controller.

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Skuh

I find it very difficult to do. The alternative version of sprinting to cancel the reload works much better (on PS3), but is not what you want to do in a fight when you have the spas.

mattv2099

I called in 123 harriers this prestige. All after the resurgence patch. (finally got my 1,000 kills and I plan on never using harrier again) They pretty much all sucked. The harrier is pile of shit. Whether it got nerfed or not (feels like it may have) I'm off to greener pastures.

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L4ntastic

Well, people shoot air support down much more than they used to. That and sometimes you just get unlucky for an extremely long time. On my last prestige I called in over 25 chopper gunners. At about 25 I was averaging a little over 2 kills per chopper gunner. Terrible. I probably ended up calling in about 40, and ended with about 4 kills per chopper gunner. Kind of a similar situation.

Personally I haven't noticed a difference with the harriers. Sometimes they get a lot of kills, sometimes they don't get any. That's how it's always been for me.

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WeAre138

That shotgun is shit.

Since they've been nerfed, they're garbage. No range. Shitty power. I literally got three hitmarkers with the Models (firing one of them at a time), and didn't get the fucking kill. Joke. The Striker is better than that piece of shit now.

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Alphabuster187

I deployed 2 Harriers in one game on Rundown Domination last night. I got a combined 15 kills between the two, the first one got me 10.

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mattv2099

Why don't you kick me in the nuts too. You should get an Xbox! And cry when all your hard earned air support instantly bites the dust.


Maybe I should get a ps3. All the youtube commentators say it's hecka easy to pwn over there when compared to the xbox

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WHITE_BOLT

I as well heard the Spas-12 was patched.

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Don't Eat The Fish

I still get killed from across the hallway in Skidrow by a SPAS, so I'd venture a guess and say that they weren't nerfed.

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aKa LANCE

I think the term noob tube should be expanded to cover the spas as well... the term originally described shotguns anyway and they are definitely imbalanced as secondaries in MW2.

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