Does silencer increase drop in bullet damage after penetration? - Modern Warfare 2 Forum: Free Call of Duty MW2 Community

oneinchwunda · 09-15-2010, 01:55 PM

Does it?

Or are penetration stats exactly the same?

KingzOverAcez · 09-15-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by oneinchwunda

Does it?

Or are penetration stats exactly the same?

I believe that the damage from your guns drop in using a silencer. Especially your Sniper rifles.

Cloud · 09-15-2010, 02:45 PM

Well we all know that the damage does, but he is asking does it effect penetration, I think it does, but I don't know for sure, i've tried and failed epicly at trying to shoot through things with a silencer, maybe ViS or someone will know?

CampNGun · 09-15-2010, 02:51 PM

Silencer or not when shooting through cover a 0.6 damage reduction multiplier is applied. Now silencer itself drops the damage over distance by some factor. FMJ brings it back to 1.0 damage multiplier (i.e normal damage of bullets). The silencer reduces the damage over distance the cover penetration damage drop stays the same.

Dolfan1985 · 09-15-2010, 02:54 PM

hmmm i thought it did

KingzOverAcez · 09-15-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

Well we all know that the damage does, but he is asking does it effect penetration, I think it does, but I don't know for sure, i've tried and failed epicly at trying to shoot through things with a silencer, maybe ViS or someone will know?

Just Bling your silenced gun with FMJ and it solves this problem.

Fandom Ruck · 09-15-2010, 03:09 PM

Penetration. Lols.

The stats are the same.

fenny · 09-15-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CampNGun

Silencer or not when shooting through cover a 0.6 damage reduction multiplier is applied. Now silencer itself drops the damage over distance by some factor. FMJ brings it back to 1.0 damage multiplier (i.e normal damage of bullets). The silencer reduces the damage over distance the cover penetration damage drop stays the same.

LMFAO

really and who told you that lol, please dont try and act like you know what your talking about.

So according to you if i shoot at a wall from one side of the map at someone the opposite end of the map, on karachi, then the bullets will reach them.....

unless you want me to explain the reasons why your wrong

OP bullet penetration has a percentage drop on the damage of the bullet, for example a bullet that does 40 damage would be reduced to 8 damage if went through a brick wall, as they reduce bullet damage to 20%. FMJ doubles the damage that comes out the other side or technical decreases teh % drop

Therefor the silencer bit is depending on the distance u are from the surface:

Point blank it wont effect the damage as the bullet wont travel further enough for the silencer bit to kick in.

Long distance the silencer will definitly effect the damage the other side (if any) as the starting damage will be very small.

All in all the bullet will not travel further enough after entering the surface for the silencer bit to kick in, or the silencer will prevent bullet penatration overall.

Cloud · 09-15-2010, 04:15 PM

Fenny that was uncalled for, he isn't exactly that wrong, he said what you said, which was the damage will obviously drop over a distance and of course be weakened by the silencer, and FMJ, does almost double the damage retained after going through cover.

The damage also depends on the angle you're shooting from.

CampNGun · 09-15-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fenny

LMFAO

really and who told you that lol, please dont try and act like you know what your talking about.

So according to you if i shoot at a wall from one side of the map at someone the opposite end of the map, on karachi, then the bullets will reach them.....

unless you want me to explain the reasons why your wrong

From:

Modern Warfare 2 | DenKirson on Xanga

Take a look at the chart, where is the indication that there is a limit on the distance where your bullets disapear. From the interpetation of the damage graphs they reach a point where the damage remains constant regardless of the distance the bullet travels. I do not belive that they wrote a code that has bullets become inbeded in objects over distance. In referencing that chart you could fire across the map and hit somoeone. Now it may not do any damage if every time it passes through the object it gets a damage reduction multiplier but it would hit. I would have to look at the in game code to see how they applied the math for this situation.

Sure list why I am wrong and source it.

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OP bullet penetration has a percentage drop on the damage of the bullet, for example a bullet that does 40 damage would be reduced to 8 damage if went through a brick wall, as they reduce bullet damage to 20%. FMJ doubles the damage that comes out the other side or technical decreases teh % drop

Not trying to be an asshat but can you provide source for this? One where it lists the different cover and structures and the % of the damage reduction each type of object provides. I.e glass window vs brick wall.

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Therefor the silencer bit is depending on the distance u are from the surface:

Point blank it wont effect the damage as the bullet wont travel further enough for the silencer bit to kick in.

So the bullets dissapear into thin air after a ceirtain distance. Because there is no bullet drop in MW2 as far as I am aware. In this you are saying the silencer does not reduce the penetration since the bullet no longer exists. Really?

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Long distance the silencer will definitly effect the damage the other side (if any) as the starting damage will be very small.

Yeah silencer reduces damage over distance. But it has no effect on the penetration damage drop.

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All in all the bullet will not travel further enough after entering the surface for the silencer bit to kick in, or the silencer will prevent bullet penatration overall.

Yet again where does it say that the bullet dissapears into thin air.

Cloud · 09-15-2010, 04:22 PM

It mentions it in the CoD4 damage chart, yeah he is right about the damage being reduced to 20%(I think) but you were right about everything else as far as I can see.

fenny · 09-15-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CampNGun

From:

Modern Warfare 2 | DenKirson on Xanga

Take a look at the chart, where is the indication that there is a limit on the distance where your bullets disapear. From the interpetation of the damage graphs they reach a point where the damage remains constant regardless of the distance the bullet travels. I do not belive that they wrote a code that has bullets become inbeded in objects over distance. In referencing that chart you could fire across the map and hit somoeone. Now it may not do any damage if every time it passes through the object it gets a damage reduction multiplier but it would hit. I would have to look at the in game code to see how they applied the math for this situation.

Sure list why I am wrong and source it.

Not trying to be an asshat but can you provide source for this? One where it lists the different cover and structures and the % of the damage reduction each type of object provides. I.e glass window vs brick wall.

So the bullets dissapear into thin air after a ceirtain distance. Because there is no bullet drop in MW2 as far as I am aware. In this you are saying the silencer does not reduce the penetration since the bullet no longer exists. Really?

Yeah silencer reduces damage over distance. But it has no effect on the penetration damage drop.

Yet again where does it say that the bullet dissapears into thin air.

LMAO again.

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Originally Posted by Den Kirson

FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) attachment has the same effect as Deep Impact.

right now read this

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Originally Posted by Den Kirson

There are twenty eight different materials with varying levels of protection. Most materials have the exact same amount of protection, so there are really only about six levels of protection ranging from next-to-none to impenetrable. For example, some brick walls cut damage down to around 20% for Medium/Large, so 40 damage would only be eight on the other side.

There are three levels of penetration applied to weapons: Small, Medium, Large. Statistically, there are next to no numerical differences between Medium and Large.
Small can only penetrate the weakest of materials without Deep Impact, and then can peck at enemies through brick and plaster with Deep Impact.

Because Medium and Large are nearly the same, there are virtually only two levels of Penetration (Small and Large).
Pistols, SMGs and Shotguns all have Small Penetration (except Desert Eagle and AK74U).
All LMGs, Sniper Rifles and Assault Rifles are Medium/Large.

Angle is the most affecting factor. Straight on, a wall may cut down 40 damage to 8.
At about a 20° angle, that 8 will be further cut down to 4, and at 45°, 1 damage.
More than 45°, the bullet will not penetrate.
Some wood and sheet metal can be penetrated at greater than 45° (they cut damage down to about 70%).

The depth of objects also plays a part. Corners can be penetrated at any angle with only a small loss in damage..

After passing through the material, the bullet will begin losing damage over distance all the way down to 1, this includes sniper rifles and LMGs.

I never said bullets disappear

Bullets that do 1 damage will not be felt by the player.

So please dont try and act smart by giving links to den kirson when you dont have the intelligence to read it.

CampNGun · 09-15-2010, 04:25 PM

Cloud,

Where is the chart on this? I get curious

CampNGun · 09-15-2010, 04:26 PM

Now wait fenny,

I want to have a discussion and what not but you keep hurling insults? And I am supposed to take you and your points seriously?

fenny · 09-15-2010, 04:28 PM

classic case of the hunters gun backfiring and its the preys fault lol

Cloud · 09-15-2010, 04:29 PM

Fenny no offence but stop being rude, you also copy and pasted some stuff from there too. Even if someone is wrong there is no reason to insult him.

Call of Duty 4 | DenKirson on Xanga

fenny · 09-15-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

Fenny no offence but stop being rude, you also copy and pasted some stuff from there too.

Call of Duty 4 | DenKirson on Xanga

i have issues with people trying to argue with me about something i know i am 100% right on. Thats why any retaliations by camp made me angryier as he couldnt see my point and was still trying to prove me wrong.

I apologise if i offended you chris

CampNGun · 09-15-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

Fenny no offence but stop being rude, you also copy and pasted some stuff from there too. Even if someone is wrong there is no reason to insult him.

Call of Duty 4 | DenKirson on Xanga

Ok so I see where the damage is dropped by material. Thanks Cloud. But it is for COD4 and not MW2. Unless we compare the two codes it becomes a crap shoot really. Is it likely that they copy pasted code in terms of damage being reduced. Yeah. Without actually seeing the code itself between the two games it comes down to a guess.

fenny · 09-15-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CampNGun

Ok so I see where the damage is dropped by material. Thanks Cloud. But it is for COD4 and not MW2. Unless we compare the two codes it becomes a crap shoot really. Is it likely that they copy pasted code in terms of damage being reduced. Yeah. Without actually seeing the code itself between the two games it comes down to a guess.

In the mw2 section den said that FMJ is exactly the same as Deep Impact

CampNGun · 09-15-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fenny

i have issues with people trying to argue with me about something i know i am 100% right on. Thats why any retaliations by camp made me angryier as he couldnt see my point and was still trying to prove me wrong.

I apologise if i offended you chris

Its a discussion. I am in no way shape or form insulting you. Plus it was Cloud who posted the source.

oneinchwunda · 09-15-2010, 04:44 PM

I know how bullet penetration works.

All I wanted to know is whether having a silencer as the attachment changes that in any way. Clearly, it doesn't.

/thread

Platy · 09-15-2010, 04:46 PM

You should know to never ask a simple question on this site, Wunda. Just turns into a flamewar.

At least I found out something about bullet penetration. Still not much wiser on the subject.

oneinchwunda · 09-15-2010, 04:48 PM

I thought this question was simple enough, tbh.

I have had a couple of good experiences in the past, however.

Anywho, I reported the thread, so that a mod can lock it, ASAP.

KingzOverAcez · 09-15-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by oneinchwunda

I know how bullet penetration works.

All I wanted to know is whether having a silencer as the attachment changes that in any way. Clearly, it doesn't.

/thread

But people are still going to argue about it though?