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The World of Computers – by ABC
pfft, this all fitted in one post on C4F, not 4!!! ![]() This, believe it or not, Is a brief introduction into the world of computers. It is based around buying a computer, and how to choose. There are many things I have not touched on, because I simply don’t have time (overclocking. FSBs, cache, L2/L3, LN2, CPU cooling, airflow theory, multipliers, HT bus, shaders/mem/core, clock speeds blah blah blah etc) anyway, without further ado click the spoilers for neccessary sections. Any questions or queries direct them all to Dante because that's what he said... :ninja: (joke. PM me) Some stuff may be slightly outta date because I haven't editted this for a while. Will hopefully get around to updating it soon with the likes of SSD, more info on Intel Core I7 and I5, lots more on Phenom II and Athlon II, a mention of ATI HD5800 series and update the RAM section as some brands have gone out of "fashion" (corsair XMS2, dominator) and others have come in (G.Skill Ripjaws for DDR3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buffalo DDR2 and ye-olde-skool Ballistix Tracers are massively in demand atm if you can find em...) Processors Spoiler: Memory (or RAM) Spoiler:
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Hard Drives
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The Really Important Bit: The Graphics (aka GFX or Video) Card
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64bit Or 32bit OS?
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Right i have three questions:
1. In the '32-bit or 64-bit OS' section, you said that for a 32bit the max ram you can have is 4gb. But in the section above called 'Memory (or Ram)' you have in that table that the perfect ram for Windows 7 32bit OS is 6gb? Then in the next column in says that the max you can have is 3.3? 2. In the 'Overclocking' section you said that it is extremely easy and your going on about how easy it is, but then you say 'ONLY DO IT IF YOU HAVE READ 58 "HOW TO" ARTICLES ON GOOD SITES.' Isn't that a bit contradictory? 3. In the 'Overclocking section again, you said that the hardware you need is anything but a dell/hp. So you can't overclock these? |
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Prebuilt Dell and HP systems tend to have a locked BIOS which means you can't manually alter the timing and clock speeds of your components. I *think* there are tools which unlock BIOSes (plural of BIOS is?) but as a general rule you can't OC prebuilt systems from companies like Dell and HP.
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I will admit (saviour this moment lol ) that I have been quite sloppy with numbers & the use of the terms "memory, RAM and system memory" in the "32bit vs 64bit OS" section.
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Also, 'other big brands', would that include companies like Asus, Acer, Toshiba? Last edited by Wolfenstien1994; 10-23-2009 at 06:42 PM. |
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Yeah by "big brands" I was trying to convey brands known as OEM. "OEM" brands (but be careful, not "OEM products" - that is something very different) is quite a difficult term to actually pinpoint. The term "OEM brands" reffers to
Those who mass produce, are very well known and computers to the un-assuming public. When talking about fully built computers "non OEM" brands are usually those such as small companies or small computer shops who specialise in high end computers and custom (or very flexible) builds. home/self built is obviously when you go to a shop or website, choose and buy every component seperately and assemble it yourself. I appreciate that is a very vague answer, not helped by the fact we use "OEM" to refer to all the big brands, yet small brands are technically still an original end manufacturer too. It is also not helped that buying an "OEM" PC is completely different to buying an "OEM packaged" hard drive or CPU.
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I still don't know what an "OEM Hard Drive" is. And on OEM OS means you can only install it to one PC (motherboard) right?
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OEM computer - we've covered
OEM OS (aka system builders OS) - I think it is unlimited installs, so long as only one copy is activated) One definate difference between OEM and retail is retail you get a 32 & 64bit disc, OEM you just get 32bit OR 64bit. OEM HDD - HDD with no cables OEM CPU - just the CPU. no nice box. no HSF. So really, apart from whole computers, OEM really is the cheapest & most efficient way to go (efficient because why pay £10 more to get an intel HSF when you're gonna buy a better one anyway?) On that note I notice AMD black edition CPUs have started shipping with heatsinks... no idea when that happened but it certainly makes them seeem/sound less special!
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The black editions still have the unlocked multiplier though, making for some stupidly ridiculous overclocks... 3.8GHz quad on stock cooling anyone?
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mmm 3.8 on stock is probably manageable on a $200 flagship 965 BE but definitely not attainable on anything lower. most PII top out at 3.7~ due to excessive heat.
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What do you think about this computer?
hp pavilion elite HPE-115 Intel Core i7-processor, 8GB RAM, 1 TB hårddisk, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260, 1,8GB graficmemory and Windows 7. I think it costs 1430$
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$400 - $500 overpriced AND a little odd (RAM for I7's should come in multiples of three... which 8 isn't...)
By "overpriced" I mean that is how much you'd save if you bought all the bits seperately and built it yourself. It's certainly a fast PC though. Then again it uses some quite-out-dated components. BUT bear in mind system builders have to make a profit, and a $300 or so mark up isn't bad...
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Information on specific parts generally isn't relevant anymore. Any chance that you could update this?
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mmm, I think I've done well overall to try and explain standards/model-names/product-ranges rather than name drop specific components but some bits like the CPU section are looking very 2007/8. Likewise the mobo bit could be updated very simply but meaningfully.
Basically it will inevitably & always go wrong whereever I've mentioned pricing and "what is best at the moment."
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All this really needs is a low/medium/high optimum for every month, if that. Something like 8600GTS/8800GT/8800GTX for 2007 or 4670/9600GT/4870 for the generation after that would be perfect.
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Other people: for when you cba to do something yourself.
Tomshardware.com produces a monthly list of the best GFX cards in each price bracket. The snag with other people: it's all in USD (this is an issue because price cuts hit the USA several months before the UK, so a great deal there may not be a great deal here)
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Tomshardware is great if you're in the US. The problem is as you mentioned and, frankly, the market just moves way too quickly for that much of a delay. By the time the cuts have made it to the UK, it's likely that the next big card is about to come out or something retarded. Frankly, I doubt that anyone reads this thread enough to make worth maintaining, though.
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Yep, you've convinced me that TH is a somewhat pointless excercise since the knowledge you need in order to interpret and adapt their review to a "UK spec" is the same knowledge you'd need to write a "UK spec" article from scratch.
As a curiously devious but ultimately annoying marketing excersise AMD have changed their naming scheme. They've basically added "100" to the name of everything to make it sound better. The HD6800 series is the replacement for the HD5700 series. Hence the HD6850 is substantially SLOWER than the HD5850, all GTX 465/460 and HD5830. Likewise the HD6870 is slower than the HD5870, GTX 470 and in some cases slower than the 5850 too. The replacements for the 5870 & 5850 are suggested to be called the 6950 & 6970 respectively, with the dual GPU version taking the HD6990 moniker.
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